FOR SALE: Herzog Record Cabinet - INQUIRE

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Post by oldtvsandtoys »

Omanwill wrote:Thanks for the feedback. I did consider that. I also looked into auction houses.

However, I'd really like to see it go to someone who appreciates it. And I think this is a better forum for that to occur.
and not have to pay the 20% selling fees

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I do not endorse or participate in when a seller asks for offers. I think there should be a price listed, or sell on ebay. Most of the time when someone solicits an offer, especially in a Forum, their intent is to glean information and list it on ebay, or some other venue. They have no intention to sell it to a collector, anyway. It is a dis-service to Forum members who take their time and share knowledge. I see this all the time when I get a solicitation, and expect me to give an offer. I tell that seller, if you can't come up with a price, I'll pass. Maybe I'm generalizing, but I have been stung to many times.My 3 cents worth.
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Post by jboger »

I have found this an interesting discussion. The seller has been very forthright and polite in all his responses. He of course wants to get the best price he can. We've all experienced this venue for selling, and so in that regard the seller is not doing anything out of the ordinary. It's a question of whether potential buyers are willing to participate in this process. The problem with a blind auction is that the high bidder will always wonder if he was shilled or not (is that the right term?) That being said, I have no reason to doubt the honesty of this seller whom I do not know.

Quite a few years ago I was in an antique barn near South China, Maine. Back in those days single-owner shops were the rule, not the multi-dealer stores that we have today. In any case the owner had a whale oil burner I was interested in buying. I knew him; he knew me. He asked me how much I was willing to pay. I said, "Elmer"--his name was Elmer--"Elmer, you're the seller. It's your job to name a price." He agreed, named a price, and I bought it. Still have the burner.

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Re: FOR SALE: Herzog Record Cabinet - INQUIRE

Post by Valecnik »

jboger wrote:I have found this an interesting discussion. The seller has been very forthright and polite in all his responses. He of course wants to get the best price he can. We've all experienced this venue for selling, and so in that regard the seller is not doing anything out of the ordinary. It's a question of whether potential buyers are willing to participate in this process. The problem with a blind auction is that the high bidder will always wonder if he was shilled or not (is that the right term?) That being said, I have no reason to doubt the honesty of this seller whom I do not know.

Quite a few years ago I was in an antique barn near South China, Maine. Back in those days single-owner shops were the rule, not the multi-dealer stores that we have today. In any case the owner had a whale oil burner I was interested in buying. I knew him; he knew me. He asked me how much I was willing to pay. I said, "Elmer"--his name was Elmer--"Elmer, you're the seller. It's your job to name a price." He agreed, named a price, and I bought it. Still have the burner.
For me the problem with this type of sale it the uncertainty of the process and the time element. I have no doubt the seller is an honorable person but if I were to offer, let's say $800, the answer is probably not yes or no but rather wait, more correspondence, possibly I increase my bid to $850 and in the end it goes to someone else for $875. Also it's not clear how long the process goes on, no real rules.

As others have noted, I typically don't participate in these types of transactions. That being said, I wish the seller the best of luck. He has an interesting item and deserves to get a fair price for it. :)

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Post by 52089 »

I can understand the various points of view here, but keep in mind, none of us knows everything about everything. As one poster noted, I do agree that sellers should generally name their price - in a retail setting - but this is not a retail setting and we are mostly collectors, not dealers making a living. I personally don't think "make an offer" should go away completely.

If we require posting with a price, people will just post an opening price that's perhaps high but not totally unrealistic and note that the price is negotiable, then repost periodically with lower prices. To me this is counterproductive and just slows the process down.

Another possibility would be have a policy restricting/prohibiting the use of For Sale posts for a user's first "X" number of posts or number of days of membership.

In any case, this is a good discussion, even if it's not strictly germane to the original topic.

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Post by Omanwill »

Honestly, I'm at a bit of a loss on this. I never anticipated such silliness over a post that specifically follows the rules established by your own forum.

Yes, this is about the money for me. I am not a collector or enthusiast. The cabinet has very little value to me, other than sentimental. It is merely a piece of furniture in my house.

But the simple fact that I'm not going to give it away, (especially since it's been in my family for almost a century), for $75, and that (somehow) wanting fair market value makes me unethical, is beyond me.

Given how this has developed, and the tension it appears to have caused, I think it is best to simply cancel the posting/sale altogether.

My apologies for the inconvenience this may cause.

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