RARE Nazi Record - Patria Picture Disc

[bfinan11]

The Nürnberg trials shouldn't be a problem on eBay, since it is dealing with the punishment delivered to the perps... not sure how interesting the records are.

The interest in the records is almost entirely historical, I would imagine...

[Curt A]

The Nürnberg trials shouldn't be a problem on eBay, since it is dealing with the punishment delivered to the perps... not sure how interesting the records are.

The interest in the records is almost entirely historical, I would imagine...

Have you listened to them? Are they recordings of the entire trials?

[bfinan11]

I haven't listened to them but it's a set of five 12" 78s put out in 1947 or 48 by a small company in Binghamton that doesn't seem to have sold many of these - or even released any other records - before going out of business within a year.

[alang]

Five 12" 78s, that's less than an hour total. I assume that this is more like news highlights of the trials rather than direct recordings.

In response to the original post, in Germany everything that promotes or glorifies the Nazi regime and its symbols was forbidden until the reunification in 1990. Only limited access for educational and historical purposes was allowed. In the years right after the war all Germans had to go through a process called "Entnazifizierung" (de-nazification), where everyone's involvement with the Nazi regime and its crimes was investigated. The Nuremberg trials were just the tip of the iceberg. Therefore people got rid of all these things that might make them appear regime-friendly. Even now displaying a Nazi symbol like the swastika can get you in trouble and is not accepted in society, not sure about the actual legal ramifications. Because of this 40+ year ban on anything Nazi and the fact that people did not want to be reminded or associated with this dark chapter, many of these items have been destroyed. It seems that more such items were brought back by allied soldiers as souvenirs and that way survived outside of Germany. If you do find records like marches from the Nazi time in Germany, often times symbols etc have been scratched off the record label or have been blacked out.

Andreas

[marcapra]

I have a Jewish friend whose father was in the U.S. Army during WWII and fought in Germany. His father brought home a Nazi flag, which is now in his son's attic. Now, his son doesn't know what to do with it. Burn it, or keep it as a souvenir of his father's WWII service. That's a tough one. I feel that keeping it as an historical artifact is fine and doesn't mean you support its political meaning. Displaying it in front of your house or even in your living room, now that would be different.

[stevel]

I'm of the opinion that if all these things were destroyed it will make life easier for the deniers in future.

[Curt A]

I'm of the opinion that if all these things were destroyed it will make life easier for the deniers in future.

Maybe the place for them is the Holocaust Museum... I don't think they should be destroyed...

As far as the deniers go, I have been to Dachau, Auschwitz and several other camps - that kind of evidence is hard to destroy and leaves a permanent image in your mind.... People who fall into that category are deranged to say the least...

[need4art]

This is a tough thing to think through, I am a Jewish guy married to a German born Christian. Her father was a G.I. stationed over there as Provost Marshal and he took a German wife-when he was not supposed to. I have records of his trial when they attempted to court martial him for marrying her. Her father was a political prisoner-put into a German concentration camp because he would not join the Nazi party. Both of my wife's parents are dead and we have Hummi figures with little boys and girls carrying Nazi flags, We have stamps with Hitler on them , coins and metals and yes a nazi flag.
My mother-in law would often apologize for what happened but she and here family were not part of the problem.

In retrospect is this any different than what we did to Afro-American Blacks during the slavery period in this country, and yet we collect and listen to "coon" and "[n****r]" music.

We must never forget what took place, and reflect on the fact "That Never Again" really mean something.

I share these thoughts we members of this forum in a non-offensive light but to have all of you understand a life time of reflection.

Abe

[Curt A]

"In retrospect is this any different than what we did to Afro-American Blacks during the slavery period in this country, and yet we collect and listen to "coon" and "[n****r]" music."

Abe, I am German by descent, my German ancestors came to the US in 1850 after the Revolution of 1848. I spent a lot of my life wondering how a nation of educated, technically advanced people could be swayed by the rantings of a megalomaniac who totally destroyed his own country and people... BUT the worst part was how they could consider a specific group of people to be less than human and mass murder them. In regards to the slavery question, yes there were atrocities and some of them were treated as less than human, but they were not slaughtered by the millions for absolutely no reason... I am in no way defending slavery, but many American European immigrants were also treated as slaves, not just African Americans.

However, there is still no comparison to the way Jews and other Nazi dissenters were treated, not only in Germany by the Nazis, but Russia, Poland and many other European nations where they were rounded up by the tens of thousands, shipped to Auschwitz and murdered... It is totally unimaginable and insane. You are right, none of this should ever happen again, but given the right circumstances human nature and greed may lead to something similar in the future if people are not taught to learn from the past...

[gramophone-georg]

"In retrospect is this any different than what we did to Afro-American Blacks during the slavery period in this country, and yet we collect and listen to "coon" and "[n****r]" music."

Abe, I am German by descent, my German ancestors came to the US in 1850 after the Revolution of 1848. I spent a lot of my life wondering how a nation of educated, technically advanced people could be swayed by the rantings of a megalomaniac who totally destroyed his own country and people... BUT the worst part was how they could consider a specific group of people to be less than human and mass murder them. In regards to the slavery question, yes there were atrocities and some of them were treated as less than human, but they were not slaughtered by the millions for absolutely no reason... I am in no way defending slavery, but many American European immigrants were also treated as slaves, not just African Americans.

However, there is still no comparison to the way Jews and other Nazi dissenters were treated, not only in Germany by the Nazis, but Russia, Poland and many other European nations where they were rounded up by the tens of thousands, shipped to Auschwitz and murdered... It is totally unimaginable and insane. You are right, none of this should ever happen again, but given the right circumstances human nature and greed may lead to something similar in the future if people are not taught to learn from the past...

And the problem is, in this case, how one can learn these lessons from the past when the whole thing is suppressed and everyone is forbidden to talk about it?

Supposedly we suppress and hide these things so that people won't make heroes out of these monsters. Unfortunately, when you suppress history, the nuts still find these things and try to resurrect them while the rest of the populace that has been 'shielded' from it quite possibly has no idea whatsoever what they are actually witnessing.

I'm not a big fan of forcing this sort of thing 'underground'... at all. Besides, I really prefer my nut cases out in the open rather than trying to appear normal...