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estott wrote:I believe the "Royal" wasn't part of the large spindle group and was just a cheap Columbia machine made to play regular records, like their "Harvard" machines for Sears. The horn is the most striking thing about it, probably wouldn't be hard to find the motor and turntable from a more common converted Standard to fix this up- aside from the holes in the side condition appears good.

I don't know, the one in the photo I provided above certainly appears to have a larger spindle than conventional talking machines.

...unless it's the way the light is hitting it.

Ortho_Fan wrote:

estott wrote:I believe the "Royal" wasn't part of the large spindle group and was just a cheap Columbia machine made to play regular records, like their "Harvard" machines for Sears. The horn is the most striking thing about it, probably wouldn't be hard to find the motor and turntable from a more common converted Standard to fix this up- aside from the holes in the side condition appears good.

I don't know, the one in the photo I provided above certainly appears to have a larger spindle than conventional talking machines --

http://i.pbase.com/u12/rescueme/upload/ ... reck24.jpg

Yes - but notice the filled hole where another (incorrect) motor's crank once inserted. Looks like someone found a Standard (Columbia) motor that fit the original mounts.

George P.

phonogfp wrote: Yes - but notice the filled hole where another (incorrect) motor's crank once inserted. Looks like someone found a Standard (Columbia) motor that fit the original mounts.
George P.

Thanks George (P) --

I see that now! (I had to brighten my screen's resolution to see it.) Seems people were swapping motors all over the place!

OF

Ortho_Fan wrote:

phonogfp wrote: Yes - but notice the filled hole where another (incorrect) motor's crank once inserted. Looks like someone found a Standard (Columbia) motor that fit the original mounts.
George P.

Thanks George (P) --

I see that now! (I had to brighten my screen's resolution to see it.) Seems people were swapping motors all over the place!

OF

Can't trust nobody no more...!

George P.

Thanks for the replies....I will probably leave well enough alone....or just plug the extra hole....I would like the nut for the arm that holds it to the case...any ideas who might have an extra or 2 that match....Is felt / felt or should I get it at a certain place?

One stop shopping for everything you'll need: send an email to yet another George (Vollema):

"victrola" "at" triton "dot" net. He should have everything you need!

Hope this helps,
Sean

I just noticed on page 210 of "The Talking Machine ... Compendium" there's a photo of a Royal Talking Machine, in a cabinet very similar to the one George (OP) has.

In the photo, there are two holes with escutcheons in the side of the cabinet -- one for the crank; the other for a knob (combination speed control & brake?) The holes are in different positions than the one George has, but this leads me to believe that his machine may not have been "re-motored."

The horn, tonearm and sound box are identical to George's model.

I'm wondering if someone who has this book, along with a scanner/digital camera, could take a photo of the machine pictured on page 210, and post it here so George could pass it along to try to hunt down the missing part. (George Paul -- does a larger version of that photo exist?)

Ortho_Fan wrote:I just noticed on page 210 of "The Talking Machine ... Compendium" there's a photo of a Royal Talking Machine, in a cabinet very similar to the one George (OP) has.

In the photo, there are two holes with escutcheons in the side of the cabinet -- one for the crank; the other for a knob (combination speed control & brake?) The holes are in different positions than the one George has, but this leads me to believe that his machine may not have been "re-motored."

The horn, tonearm and sound box are identical to George's model.

I'm wondering if someone who has this book, along with a scanner/digital camera, could take a photo of the machine pictured on page 210, and post it here so George could pass it along to try to hunt down the missing part. (George Paul -- does a larger version of that photo exist?)

Ortho,

I thank you for referencing The Compendium, and I hope EVERYONE on the board has already referred to their copies! However, at the risk of appearing contrary, I must point out the following:

1) The Royal pictured on page 210 is an entirely different model from that of the OP. Horn, tone arm, and sound box all differ, as does the cabinet. There was more than one Royal model, and the OP's machine more closely resembles (mechanically) the two machines on page 193, and the Imperial on page 138 than the Royal pictured on page 210. Note that all these machines use the same motor, and the speed control protrudes from the front. It cannot be seen on the OP's photo, but it should be there.

2) The OP's machine originally had a motor identical to that now installed - - except for the spindle. The extra (now filled) hole was not original to this machine. Perhaps someone wanted to make a birdhouse... The best way to determine if a third motor was ever installed (after the original motor but before the present motor) is to ask the OP if additional holes exist beneath the turntable. Regardless of the answer, the present motor was not the original motor - unless only the spindle shaft was changed!

3) To ask someone to scan/photograph a page from a copyrighted book and post it on the Internet is in effect asking them to break the law, unless permission is obtained from the copyright holder. Just ask me - the copyright holder - I'm easy to work with! As for a larger version of the photo, I hope that by now it's obvious that it would serve no purpose (since it's a totally different machine), but I'm unable to post one anyway because the original was shot on slide film. I've been tempted to buy one of those $100 gizmos that convert a slide to a JPEG, but this is only the second time I could have used one.

Below are scans from The Talking Machine Compendium showing the motor in question - -

George P.

As for a larger version of the photo, I hope that by now it's obvious that it would serve no purpose (since it's a totally different machine),

Hi George:

Now I'm totally confused. The OP's machine is pictured on page one of this string:

To my eyes -- and I concede that I do need new glasses -- it looks very close to the one on page 210.

The link to the second image of a Royal--the one with the wide spindle and the filled in redundant hole, which I posted --comes from another site.

Ortho,

No, it is I who am confused! I was looking at the second posted machine as the OP's. Sorry for that... Please disregard the first two sentences of point #1 in my previous post.

Now that I'm finally looking at the OP's machine, it appears that his original motor was also the same one shown in the book scans - - and commonly found in the Standard Model A Machine as well. The OP's machine has indeed been re-motored as evidenced by the extra hole. I expect that a slot exists in the front panel of his machine cabinet where the original speed control protruded, as seen in the book scans.

The Royal with the red horn (shown on the second page of the post)has been re-motored in all likelihood with that of a Standard Model A Machine.

Sorry for the confusion on my part!

George P.