Pathé phonograph and records

[icemandan01]

ok so any tips on loading pics on here. aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

[phonogfp]

It's pretty simple - even for me! When you click the "Post Reply" box below this one, a new screen will come up with a large white reply box. Scroll down a bit and you'll see an "Upload attachment" box immediately below. Click the blue "Browse" button, and find your photo wherever you stored it in your computer. Then click the "Add the file" just below and slightly to the right of the blue "Browse" button. That's it! The photo is added, and when you click "Submit," it will show in your reply.

George P.

[icemandan01]

i tell ya when your tired it seems as even the simplist are not. i'll try for the phono now. thanks

[hillndalefan]

If I remember correctly [that's one problem of not having internet access where I have my library], Pathé dropped the sapphire-ball disc in the U.S. in either 1922 or 1923.

[icemandan01]

damn i'm gettin good. well can anyone identify this

[gramophoneshane]

Those records you posted appear to be lateral cut, and are meant to be played with a steel needle. The first 2 with BIEM on the label are definately lateral cut, and the word "Aiguille" on the last label means "needle". (Needle cut=lateral cut)
The first 2 have a "run-out" groove (the open spiral groove between the end of the recording & the label).
I cant quite see if the last one also has a run-out groove or not, but as far as I know, from Pathés in my collection & pictures on the net, none of the vertical sapphire discs had a run-out groove.
I've not seen your first and last labels before, but I do have a blue version of your red label, with Bing Crosby singing Blue Hawaii which dates from 1937.

Below are 3 Vertical cut labels from my collection.
The first is the "etched" label used on French Pathé discs from 1906-1915. In 1915, paper labels were introduced, and the first paper label was printed to look the same as the etched label. In 1916 more decorative labels were used.
The second & third pictures are both of American Pathé vertical discs. The first decorative French paper labels of 1916 were very similar in design to these.
You'll note that none of these sapphire vertical recordings have a run-in or run-out groove in the dead wax.

[icemandan01]

ACCORDING TO THE DATA ON THE MUSIC MUSEUM ONLINE WEBSITE THE FIRST LABEL WITH THE SQUARE DESIGN IS DATED 1919 AND THE ART LABEL IS DATED 1925. THE LAST LABEL WITH THE ART DESIGN HAS NO RUN OUT GROOVE IN THE FREE SPACE.I HAD A LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER I HAVE A BLUE LABEL WITH THE SQURE DESIGN AND IT TOO HAS NO RUN OUT GROOVE. SO ANY GUESS'S ON WHAT TYPE OF MACH IT IS.

[De Soto Frank]

Gramophoneshane's pics do a good job of displaying the unique "texture" of the playing surface of vertical-cut (Hill & Dale) discs. They have a unique "sheen" to them when viewed at a slight angle to the light.

That's what initially caught my eye about the three vertical Pathé discs that I have... the playing surface "looked different".

Did any of the "Center-out" Pathé discs have a raised rim or bead at the outer edge to prevent the reproducer / stylus from skating off the edge of the disc and damaging the turntable felt / stylus ?

Also, what is the life expectancy of a Pathé sapphire ( when not abused) ?

[gramophoneshane]

ACCORDING TO THE DATA ON THE MUSIC MUSEUM ONLINE WEBSITE THE FIRST LABEL WITH THE SQUARE DESIGN IS DATED 1919 AND THE ART LABEL IS DATED 1925. THE LAST LABEL WITH THE ART DESIGN HAS NO RUN OUT GROOVE IN THE FREE SPACE.I HAD A LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER I HAVE A BLUE LABEL WITH THE SQURE DESIGN AND IT TOO HAS NO RUN OUT GROOVE. SO ANY GUESS'S ON WHAT TYPE OF MACH IT IS.

Well I'm afraid the music museum is wrong!
Can you provide a link to the site & the information in question?
BIEM- the Bureau International des Sociétés Gérant, formed in 1929. BIEM was an international organization representing mechanical rights societies, which exist in most countries.
Therefore the BIEM stamp could not have been used on a 1919 disc, nor on any other pre 1929 label.

Unless the labels are off-centre, the first 2 discs also appear to have an eccentric run-out groove, and I dont think that particular type of eccentric groove came into use until around 1931/32.

[icemandan01]

sorry i can't provide a link but i can tell you how to get there.
google, ted staunton's 78 rpm labels