Picked up an Edison Standard D

[martinola]

George -
I think that's an ICS carriage. A look on the underside of it would confirm.
Cheers,
Martin

[antique1973]

The D series should have the heavy moulding case with just the word "Edison" for the decal.

Just for the record, the first of the D series Standards still had the earlier style low molding. I had one in the 676,000 range that had it, and I've seen others. I think there's one on ebay now.

This machine clearly has a Model B cabinet, however! Looks like a Model A carriage, with the early lift lever rather than a button, but there doesn't appear to be provision for a shaver. Curious...

George P.

That's interesting, because my other standard (model B)(see pic) has the low molding. Perhaps the Edison factory used the same case for Standard B and D (low molding version) with the decal that just reads "Edison"?

I agree, the lift knob/carriage does not make sense and appears borrowed.

[martinola]

That's interesting, because my other standard (model B)(see pic) has the low molding. Perhaps the Edison factory used the same case for Standard B and D (low molding version) with the decal that just reads "Edison"?

I'm pretty sure they did. I've seen a few examples of early Model Ds in Tall cases (Model B style), some even with the earlier single gold lines with the "grass tuft" corner decorations on the bedplate. These all carried the Edison decal rather than the Banner decal which seems to disappear somewhere around serial # 341000. I think it's a matter of the product evolving. On top of that, the Edison factory was known for using up old stuff whenever they could. It makes for many interesting feature variations on their machines.

[antique1973]

Thanks for the excellent advice everyone! I will start with inspecting the mandrel and work
my way down if that is not the culprit.

[antique1973]

Hi antique1973.

Nice deal on the Standard D! The warble you're getting could be a governor related issue. Did you oil the center mandrel bushing(bearing)? Any little uneven drag in the power train can also add to the sonic nastiness. It might be good to do a disassemble/cleaning. Anyway, nice find. I hope you get much pleasure from this machine.

Best Regards,
Martin

Thanks Martin! I did add some oil on the left side but not the right side as of yet. I will give the mandrel a proper oiling tomorrow and then go from there.

Thanks also for the case compatibility information. It sounds like it could be possible to swap
the works on my machines and come out with 2 (almost) original configurations. Much to ponder...

[phonogfp]

Perhaps the Edison factory used the same case for Standard B and D (low molding version) with the decal that just reads "Edison"?

Yes - as far as I know, the cabinets for the later Standard B, C, and the early D were identical. The Type Cs and Ds can be found with either low or tall molding - depending on when they were built. Keep in mind that for a short period in mid/late 1908, the Bs, Cs, and Ds were produced simultaneously. By January 1909, B production had ceased, and this accounts for no Standard Bs supplied with cabinets featuring tall molding (which I believe appeared in early 1909). I presume production of Type Cs stopped later on in 1909 - at least Type Cs were not illustrated in the 1910 catalog. Perhaps Martinola can elaborate on some of this based upon his ongoing serial number research.

George P.

[Lenoirstreetguy]

I don't think a Model A carriage will work on a model D . I know model B carriage won't. And the feed screw is a LEFT hand screw on a D . The decal is incorrect at any rate for any B C of D made after the middle of 1906/

JRT

[antique1973]

Just a quick note as I have many errands to run today. I swapped
the B and D motorboards and here is the result. Looks pretty natural now.


Also added a pic of the model D's carriage underside. ICS?

[phonogfp]

Aha! That's an ICS carriage all right. LenoirStreetGuy is correct in pointing out that a Model A carriage won't work in a Model D.

Swapping the cabinets makes sense. Just for fun - what's the serial number on the D? If it's an early production mechanism, you'd be all set! Of course, the B should be early production as well...

George P.

[antique1973]

Aha! That's an ICS carriage all right. LenoirStreetGuy is correct in pointing out that a Model A carriage won't work in a Model D.

Swapping the cabinets makes sense. Just for fun - what's the serial number on the D? If it's an early production mechanism, you'd be all set! Of course, the B should be early production as well...

George P.

The carriage mystery is solved, thanks for everyone's input!

Here are the motor plate serial numbers George:

Model D is 657355

Model B is 482130