The Paramount demonstration Phonograph = First thing built

[Steve]

I would break it up and I'm not joking or trying to be controversial either. It isn't a museum piece and Freddy knows it. He has been talking about removing the motor for over 6 months, whatever that would prove, I'm not sure. It's a nice quality motor and I would sell it to the EMG guru when I scrap the machine.

Where I live these type of machines are very common and no one wants them. Why would I keep this one and not all the other cabinet refugees? I haven't the space and if nobody else wants them either, what use are they to me? None.

I think the collectors who talk about preserving everything have a laudable policy but sometimes it can be misplaced naivety. I am not kidding when I say that most collectors where I live would consider this to be junk and wouldn't want it either.

It might be sad to some but that's how history evolves. If nobody had ever thrown anything anyway ever, none of us would be able to move anymore!

[Freddyboy]

Wow dont get angry. I have been busy runing my ebay store and painting buisness. Helllo I gave it to my mom. I will take the motor out eventualy but I realy dont care.

Can somebody tell me were this lidstay comes from (Patent number : 201701 )

It seems to be american and conected to Puritan records printed around the early 1900s

Any help is apreciated

[Zeppy]

I would break it up and I'm not joking or trying to be controversial either. It isn't a museum piece and Freddy knows it. He has been talking about removing the motor for over 6 months, whatever that would prove, I'm not sure. It's a nice quality motor and I would sell it to the EMG guru when I scrap the machine.

Where I live these type of machines are very common and no one wants them. Why would I keep this one and not all the other cabinet refugees? I haven't the space and if nobody else wants them either, what use are they to me? None.

I think the collectors who talk about preserving everything have a laudable policy but sometimes it can be misplaced naivety. I am not kidding when I say that most collectors where I live would consider this to be junk and wouldn't want it either.

It might be sad to some but that's how history evolves. If nobody had ever thrown anything anyway ever, none of us would be able to move anymore!

I have to disagree here. I believe this is the mentality that so many machines were converted to liquor cabinets and trolling lines, and leads people to part out some perfectly good machines because the constituent parts are worth more than the complete machine. I've seen Victor external horn machines parted out on ebay, because the seller knows he can make more money that way. I've seen Victor L doors torn apart, for the exact same reason. I've had machines that weren't anything a collector would get excited about (a pretty mundane Columbia, a VV-X and a VV-250 I believe). Rather than gutting a machine, I would fix them up, and usually either sell at a yard sale, or give to friends who expressed an interest. Not everyone who is interested will become a collector. Plenty of people just like having one to play with and show off to friends. Acoustic sound reproduction is a bit of a novelty today. So why would you tear apart a perfectly good machine when even the most generic machine could make a non-collector, who likes the idea of a machine, but could care less about collectability value or brand quite happy?

Just my 2 bits.

[Steve]

Rather than gutting a machine, I would fix them up, and usually either sell at a yard sale, or give to friends who expressed an interest. Not everyone who is interested will become a collector. Plenty of people just like having one to play with and show off to friends. Accoustic sound reproduction is a bit of a novelty today. So why would you tear apart a perfectly good machine when even the most generic machine could make a non-collector, who likes the idea of a machine, but could care less about collectability value or brand quite happy?

Nothing wrong with that and I can only agree IF I was in that exact position AND if I knew people who would "just like having one to play with and show off to friends". That is never likely to happen though as know very few collectors and they only want small cylinder machines and certainly not a cabinet disc machine.

I think a Victor V is a VERY different proposition though. I wouldn't part one of them out. Now, you have my attention!

[Freddyboy]

Ya guys. I would realy like someday to see the motor in this Phonograph but in the end its so ugly its beautiful lol.
I love the sound and I bought the Black Swan records (Singer Ethel Waters) to play them with my mom. I even have the old steel needles. Just like in the early 1900s

I will post a video when I play the song Ethel waters )therell be some changes made)for the firs time. This record is from the time that Paramount was first pressing and recording there so called race music for Black swan. Paramount blew up from there with the blues

[OrthoFan]

Can somebody tell me were this lid stay comes from (Patent number : 201701 )

Any help is appreciated

Here's the data on the patent number you provided:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=MYRAAAAAEBAJ&dq=201701



If this is actually the number you see, it obviously has nothing to do with the lid-stay, itself. I would guess it involves a component used in the lid-stay's manufacturing process.

[gramophoneshane]

I've already been through all this lid stay business with Freddyboy.
The number is actually 201781 & is for his lid stay which was patented in 1923. Two patent numbers would not be issued for the same thing 80 numbers apart. It would not take from 1917 until 1923 for 80 numbers to be filed either.
I have several of these lid stays with the patent number stamped on them, and a couple later versions without the Pat No, and & an improved turning mechanism.
I've posted pictures & links etc, so I wouldn't even waste my time googling anything for Freddy in future.
He's been told it all before. I think he gets pleasure from knowing he's got people chasing information he's already been given.

He really should be stopped from posting, because he'll have this crap go on for as long as can.

[OrthoFan]

I've already been through all this lid stay business with Freddyboy.
The number is actually 201781 & is for his lid stay which was patented in 1923. Two patent numbers would not be issued for the same thing 80 numbers apart. It would not take from 1917 until 1923 for 80 numbers to be filed either.
I have several of these lid stays with the patent number stamped on them, and a couple later versions without the Pat No, and & an improved turning mechanism.
I've posted pictures & links etc, so I wouldn't even waste my time googling anything for Freddy in future.
He's been told it all before. I think he gets pleasure from knowing he's got people chasing information he's already been given.

He really should be stopped from posting, because he'll have this crap go on for as long as can.

Hi Shane:

Many thanks. I missed out on some of the posts on the old board--some were deleted--and I gave up trying to track all that was going on.


With that in mind, it would probably be best to lock this thread or delete it altogether.

O.F.

[estott]

If there's some possibility Freddyboy is genuine, and not some sort of troll, I'd be reluctant to lock him out. If he's genuine he has fixed an opinion on this machine and it's going to be hard to convince him he's wrong- probably impossible.

That said, it's important that this thread not end up as before- a huge mess.

[Freddyboy]

I've already been through all this lid stay business with Freddyboy.
The number is actually 201781 & is for his lid stay which was patented in 1923. Two patent numbers would not be issued for the same thing 80 numbers apart. It would not take from 1917 until 1923 for 80 numbers to be filed either.
I have several of these lid stays with the patent number stamped on them, and a couple later versions without the Pat No, and & an improved turning mechanism.
I've posted pictures & links etc, so I wouldn't even waste my time googling anything for Freddy in future.
He's been told it all before. I think he gets pleasure from knowing he's got people chasing information he's already been given.

He really should be stopped from posting, because he'll have this crap go on for as long as can.

Um the patent number on my lidstay is 201701 and here is the pic to prove it

http://s452.photobucket.com/albums/qq24 ... C02228.jpg