European Cylinder Machine ID?

[USlakeside]

Picked this up today. Typical European cylinder player. What is somewhat unique is the label "phonograph" as the brand. Clearly this was a name brand being ripped off. This would have never made it over in the US. Anyone have any info or seen one before? Thanks

[whoopinola]

Several months ago I aquired an unmarked front miunt machine....in searching the internet for clues , I came across a site that goes by "phonautographist"...now if I had more computer skill I would have included the http or blog spot , or whatever it's called...but I don't , so look it up , it's worth a visit... it's got photos of hundreds of odd ball european and asian marques...even a steam powered machine!

[gramophoneshane]

raphophone.
It really wasn't that uncommon to see machines for the European market to have "Phonograph" decals on the cabinet or lid.

[Bruce]

Nice machine - I have a soft spot for small European machines and yours looks in great condition.

I would also check on the following cite http://www.phono.org/beaupre-en.html as Jean-Paul has lots of European machines listed on his site as well.

As for the horn a lot of European machines did have spun aluminum horns but there is a goodly number of others who used what ever was available. So you do see them with the black horn like yours.

Bruce

[Lucius1958]

Several months ago I aquired an unmarked front miunt machine....in searching the internet for clues , I came across a site that goes by "phonautographist"...now if I had more computer skill I would have included the http or blog spot , or whatever it's called...but I don't , so look it up , it's worth a visit... it's got photos of hundreds of odd ball european and asian marques...even a steam powered machine!

Here you are:

http://phonautographist.blogspot.com/

Bill

[gramophoneshane]

but there is a goodly number of others who used what ever was available. So you do see them with the black horn like yours.

Can't say I've ever seen one, not even in advertising. If they did have a plain cone horn, they would have a straight flare added.
But then again, I haven't seen everything either
If this is a 10" cone, then my guess is it doesn't belong to this machine, but I could be wrong.

[USlakeside]

I've seen plenty of adds, and machines, with just the cone. Its typically a paper or cardboard horn however. Since these machines can barely play a record anyway. Thanks for the feedback. I actually put together the Phonautographist blog, and actually find myself direct to it when I google these machines. Funny! The machine is in unusually good condition, parts of the case feel brand, brand new. It's really hard to find these cheaper machines in good condition. One thing that took me a while to figure out was the belt. It needs to be a string, (which is actually really convinient), but it needs to be crossed over itself, otherwise it plays backwards. That took a while to get straight. Thanks everyone.

[gramophoneshane]

Could you post any of those ads? I've only ever seen US ads with those simple cone horns, and I think one Edison Bell.
What is the length of your horn?

[USlakeside]

I am not home to measure, but it feels identical to a typical USA made cone horn. Here's a Pathé Ad. I know i've seen many others, but this is a quick google find.

[gramophoneshane]

Thank you. I had honestly never seen that type of horn in European advertising before, and it great to learn something new. If you come across any more I'd be very interested in seeing them.

* I managed to find the ad you posted above on google, and it appears this was Pathés first phonograph, which was an exact copy of the Columbia Eagle. I guess in this case it would explain the cone horn, but I still cant find any others