Proper crank for my VV-XVI

[fran604g]

Can someone tell me what is correct?

I have a thread on it started here: http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... =2&t=12165

SN #63448 E

This obviously incorrect one is what I have:

[Jerry B.]

Unless your motor has been modified, I believe you need a gold female crank. Could you post a photo of your motor? Jerry

[fran604g]

Unless your motor has been modified, I believe you need a gold female crank. Could you post a photo of your motor? Jerry

Thanks Jerry, I have a picture in the thread I linked in my first post. The thing I'm wondering are the dimensions of the crank, I see 2 on ePay, but I don't know what the proper length should be.

ooooppps, wrong reference, sorry.

[fran604g]

Unless your motor has been modified, I believe you need a gold female crank. Could you post a photo of your motor? Jerry

OOOppps, I referenced the wrong post, sorry!

Here it is:

[FloridaClay]

My XVI has a male threaded crank. I will give you the dimensions for whatever it might be worth, but it looks like yours would instead have a female end on the rod where it attaches to the motor. There was a switch from female to male crank ends about 1914 amd serial #108,201.

It should have a gold-plated crank. Using my XVI, which has the original crank as a guide, there is an end threaded rod that (measured from the INSIDE of the first bend) is 6 ½". Measuring from the center of the first bend to the center of the second, the next portion is roughly 4 ½". The final segment is roughly 2 ¾" from the center of the last bend to the end of the handle, which is black wood and takes up the last 2 inches of that distance. The rod is substantial, about ⅜” in diameter.

Maybe someone who has an earlier one with a female crank can say if those dimensions are otherwise the same.


Clay

[martinola]

Hi fran604g!

Sorry that this post didn't register with me earlier. My XVI is #104077 G with the female crank. Using Clay's measuring technique, this crank is:

from female end to middle of first bend: 10 ¾"
from mid first bend to mid second bend: 4 ½"
from mid 2nd bend to end of crank: 2 ¾"

female end diameter looks about 7/16"
(The Victor Data Book lists these cranks as 5/16" which looks to be an inside diameter measurement)

Good luck on your quest!

-Martin

EDIT: After taking a look at the motor, I'm pretty sure this won't work for you. In the intervening years since I rebuilt it, I had got to thinking mine was like yours. Mine is, however, the motor with the 3 single barrels. *sigh* Somebody out there has to have one of the proper type! Again, good luck. -M

[fran604g]

Thank you both for your help! I appreciate the measurements, for sure.

[fran604g]

My XVI has a male threaded crank. I will give you the dimensions for whatever it might be worth, but it looks like yours would instead have a female end on the rod where it attaches to the motor. There was a switch from female to male crank ends about 1914 amd serial #108,201.

It should have a gold-plated crank. Using my XVI, which has the original crank as a guide, there is an end threaded rod that (measured from the INSIDE of the first bend) is 6 ½". Measuring from the center of the first bend to the center of the second, the next portion is roughly 4 ½". The final segment is roughly 2 ¾" from the center of the last bend to the end of the handle, which is black wood and takes up the last 2 inches of that distance. The rod is substantial, about ⅜” in diameter.

Maybe someone who has an earlier one with a female crank can say if those dimensions are otherwise the same.


Clay

When I measure the one that came with my machine yours is closer than Martinola's, if I knew how far the handle should protrude from the side, I could be more sure of the first measurement.

Mine measures 5-⅝" to the center of the first bend and only 2-¾" from there to the end of the crank where the handle is riveted with a 2-¾" inch dowel for the wood grip.

Another note; the final reduction coupling nut only allows for about ½" internal thread depth, causing the handle to only be able to capture about 2 threads on the motor winding shaft...I don't like that.

[FloridaClay]

On mine, the distance from the cabinet opening trim to the middle of the first curve, when the crank is installed, is approximately 1 ¼".

Perhaps somebody who has one with the female end can speak to it, or even put up a picture, but the one you have now does not look to me to be original, but maybe something somebody may have cobbled together.

Clay

[fran604g]

Thanks Clay, I'm hoping to keep this thread alive until some can, at least, post a picture of one.

I've come across several posts here that reference the exact one I need, but no pictures have I found. I know for sure that the crank I have isn't proper. I read that the original cranks were prone to breakage, so I assume that mine was a replacement someone put together, but I have no idea how old it may be or where it may have come from. It looks to be pretty old, but the coupling nuts probably aren't.