Connecting a morning glory horn to reproducer

[sq4wonder]

What is the best way to connect the morning glory horn on an edison to the reproducer?

Is just a rubber connecter sufficient or are the rubber hoses fitted with a metal piece fitted inside the ruber that will turn easier over the reproducer better and less likely to place strain on the reproducer and cause the machine to play poorly.

[sq4wonder]

This is one I have found on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360747265424?ss ... 1438.l2649

[mikejk]

Much depends on the type of horn crane you are using. The strain on the reproducer and therefore the feed screw can be minimized by paying attention to balancing the horn while hanging it on the crane disconnected from the reproducer. Take notice as to where the end of the horn comes to rest when hanging free from the reproducer, with the rubber connector attached and a metal elbow on the end of that. With the horn balancing free and the end of the metal elbow resting as close as possible to the reproducer's neck, once attached it will be riding with as little stain as possible. The metal elbow will then swivel on the reproducer's neck. This is what I use with a 32 inch morning glory and front mounted crane. Also, the height of the horn while hanging on the crane is very important. Hope this helps. Mike

[sq4wonder]

Where would I get one of these metal elbows? Is it completely necessary to use one?

[JohnM]

The metal connectors are called 'Tiz-It' joints (the name they were marketed under in the old days). They are neat, but hardly necessary. A 3.5" length of the proper rubber tubing is just as good. Ron Sitko sells the connector rubber, as do any of the parts suppliers.

[VintageTechnologies]

All I have ever used is a rubber hose. In fact, that keeps a cygnet horn from pivoting left or right too easily.

[mikejk]

The metal elbow that I mentioned is not the Tiz-It vintage part, but just a simple nickel plated 45 degree elbow that slips into the rubber and over top of the reproducer neck aligning the horn if it is riding higher that the neck of the reproducer. What you need depends on your set up and horn. I bought mine on ebay. No, it is not absolutely necessary, but it does take more pressure off the reproducer, and provides a swivel point, at least I think it does. Mike

[Chuck]

You will notice genuine Edison morning glory horns are perfectly balanced.

With the correct horn crane which has the
correct length chain, the horn will hang
in exactly the right place.

Then, with the 2.5 to 3 inch long proper
supple rubber hose attached to the horn, then
end of the hose will hang freely and bump right up against the reproducer neck.

Just slip it on to the reproducer.

This arrangement presents very little extra
force of any kind upon the reproducer and
carriage.

The more airtight the seal is between the horn
and the reproducer, the better the sound will
be.

Putting a "witch's hat" horn on to a reproducer, puts what I personally believe to
be an undue amount of force onto the reproducer and the carriage. Even though this
was done as standard practice in the old
days, I still think the force it puts on there
is excessive.

Added to that: The seal of the witch's hat
horn to the reproducer is far from air tight.
A properly sealed morning glory horn sounds
much better than a witch's hat horn, in my
humble opinion.

I recently found an aftermarket 11 panel
horn made by Tea Tray Company.

To get it to hang properly, the chain on
the horn crane must be hiked up and hooked to
itself up a few inches from where it normally
is. I put a small wire marker on the link
where the hook gets hiked up when that horn
is used. It balances quite well in that
position and it works nice.

The TTC 11 panel horn does not stick out as
far as the 10 panel Edison morning glory horn
does, so I use the TTC when I need extra room
to move around in front of the machine
without having to be so very careful not to
knock into the horn.

Just my two cent's worth.

Chuck

[mikejk]

Chuck has raised a good point, and one that I had forgotten. The joint needs to be airtight. I have also forgotten to mention that I have my morning glory connected to a horizontal carriage with a diamond B reproducer which I think makes the elbow a must. The angled carriage does not need an elbow. I almost never use my cylinder machines and totally forgot about the horizontal carriage. Mike