RESTORATION: reviving a "skeleton" of a skeleton Edison Home

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RESTORATION: reviving a "skeleton" of a skeleton Edison Home

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Dear fellow forum members:

It has been a while, but I am back with another ambitious restoration wrapped in mystery, intrigue, surprises, expenditures, ups, downs, sparks, and even a few moments of humility. With my previous restorations, I have always had some sort of form-guidance. For example, a Triumph Model A should be restored to resemble a "Triumph Model A." Or, an Amberola 50 should be restored to resemble an "Amberola 50." As you will soon see with this restoration I have been left with a blank chalk board, and literally......LITERALLY one piece of "chalk" to start with.

Thomas A. Edison is my hero. I surround myself with evidences of his genius and apparatus of his inspiration. Am I a collector? ABSOLUTELY. The Edisonia I collect form a bridge in time between the laborious afternoons in the Menlo Park laboratory, and my 1870's farmhouse overlooking the Adirondack Mountains. A far cry from the cradle of West Orange, NJ. My admiration of Edison is one of the massive forces that continually inspires me. Ultimately to prove that nothing is impossible. And that genuine work ethic has its rewards. Even, in the face of failure.

Okay. Now that I have that out on the table, let's move onto the phono in question!

While frantically surveying an outcropping of phono parts and records at a recent auction, I spotted this irregularly outfitted upper casting sitting out on the table next to other less fortunate castings. Immediately I spotted the square opening in the frame under the feedscrew area. A few things are obviously wrong with this piece. Although equipped with a much later reproducer carriage and 2/4 minute shift lever, the center mandrel support stanchion has been replaced with a piece of machined brass. And......where's the serial number "bubble"?

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After removing the un-necessary pieces, we get a better view of what we have. Here are a few views of the casting. Notice the important early features: No end bearing adjustment screws on the end gate or left mandrel support stanchion. Carriage rest on front of casting (which holds the lift lever). Although the black finish is very worn, and very oxidized, there is some evidence of gold decoration.

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Close-up of the detailing. If you look closely under the straight-edge, you can faintly see a number "32". Was this Edison Home Serial# 32? Was it a factory prototype? Was it re-purposed for some other Victorian purpose? Only history knows.

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The decorative lines are different than what you would find on the earliest "clockwork" Home models, and different from what you would find on the later Home models. Was it originally a clockwork? There is an area filed out just under the left mandrel support stanchion (to allow a highly angled drive string) to support this assumption.

Here is a look at an original drawing from the Edison paper archive:

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Why was the center mandrel support stanchion replaced? A clue lies here. The upper right corner of the casting had a brass plate screwed to it......HOLDING IT TOGETHER. After unscrewing the plate, here is what I found.

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I suspect that this was dropped. The upper corner cracked in two places, and the center support stanchion was broken off. There is an oval cut in the casting underneath the home-made brass center stanchion which may have been an attempt at re-attaching the original support. But, that piece is long gone, and the person that did this repair is long gone too.

Even though the center stanchion was replaced, and the upper right corner repaired.......WHY was the serial number bubble missing?

STAY TUNED FOR MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm on the edge of my chair! I can't wait to see how this ends up.

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Wyatt,
This is very exciting. Keep us posted for this restoration. With your talents, I'm sure you will make this a fantastic working machine. Best of luck.
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....since our last installment, we have determined that your noble reporter and phonograph-geek-in-the-field is just as perplexed as he was before starting work on this project!

Inspecting the area where the center support stanchion was, there are machining marks indicating the use of a milling machine used to flatten the area so it could be mated to a "replacement" part. The brass replacement part itself shows the patina of brass that is not just old, but *stinking* old (the best kind of old!)

So....OK, the broken piece was not able to be re-attached, and the phono was obviously valuable enough to someone to repair the busted upper right corner, and for them to mill and fabricate a replacement part from brass. Remember, this was found with a 2/4 minute lever on it, so it was used to play 4-minute cylinders at some point. So....why....did they also use their milling machine to remove the serial number bubble?!?!?!?

It makes no sense. So much can be left as educated conjecture.

The number "32" that was painted on the front of the casting. All I can imagine is that it was possibly used as a NON-Edison coin operated machine, or other device. And, removing the serial number may have been a way to keep out of legal trouble. The casting was also missing its nickel plated patent tag, BUT it still has the holes for one (to the left of the carriage arm rest). SO! this brings us to the next question.......should I replace the serial number bubble? If I were to do that, then I would have to put a serial number on it. Which would be sacrilege. RESTORATION, by my definition, means that you are performing REVERSIBLE cosmetic work to a piece. So, for now, I have decided to NOT install a new cast iron serial number bubble (it can be welded on). Simply, because it is part of the history of this machine.

The finish on this is very worn, and the decorations are not matching my vision of what this should look like, in a serviceable oak cabinet. So I will strip the finish off, and commence repairs!

It is amazing what nickel alloy welding rod can do!

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The holes were from the 100 yr old repair where machine screws held the brass plate underneath. Because of possible distress to the iron, I will fill these holes with lead or low melting point amalgam.

Replacing the center stanchion will be a PITA because the hole on the replacement piece has to align PRECISELY with the mandrel shaft! A parts donor Home Model-A casting was found, and the center stanchion cut off with cutting disc. In our next installment........replacing the center stanchion.

Before I stop writing for today, I want to discuss a few things (aside from how crazy I am in taking on this project). In history, SOMEONE WISE must have said, "Of an upper casting, a phonograph does not make."

And they would be correct. This is like building a life size replica of Sophie Tucker from strawberry JELL-O. It can be done. But, at what PRICE?

We need the following special parts:

CABINET: oak banner-lid type
CRANK: badged NATIONAL PHONOGRAPH CO crank
REPRODUCER: I would prefer a Standard Speaker, but an Automatic would do
CARRIAGE: early "weighted half-nut" type.......incredibly scarce
MANDREL: Something of this vintage wouldn't just have a brass mandrel......it would have a lipped brass mandrel from a Class-M!
MANDREL PULLEY: the early Home Phonographs had a special mandrel pulley that had what looks like a cast-texture indentation within the circumference of both front and back faces of the pulley.
BEDPLATE: the early Home bedplates had an "ON/OFF" lever slot that was about ⅛"+ shorter, and slightly narrower. And with a different bedplate comes....a different motor!
MOTOR: earlier narrow spring barrel and bull drive gear, brass governor weights, thin cast iron frame.
ID PLATE: this is the EASY part to find!

QUITE the laundry list, eh? Some parts I already have, but still....making a replica of Sophie Tucker out of JELL-O is looking to be the EASY way out!

Thank you for reading, stay tuned for MORE!
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I will be here, on the front row, with popcorn, watching. :D

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Wyatt,

Maybe your list isn't quite so daunting after all. In the course of research in 2005-2006 for an article on early "Homes" that appeared in the Sept. 2006 issue of The Sound Box, I discovered that open frames ("skeletal tops") appeared inconsistently throughout the first year of the Home's production. They can be found on No.1104 (July 1897) and even No.1534 (November 1897). This suggests that you don't necessarily need the "earliest" incarnations of all components.

The blunt-end Home-type mandrel appeared as early as No.524 (May 1897), while recessed-end Class M - style mandrels appeared as late as December 1897-January 1898 (on Nos. 2029, 2161, and 2832). Home No. 1104 features an open frame plus a blunt-end mandrel. So it can be demonstrated that what we consider "early" characteristics did not always appear in a strict chronology, and in fact may have been short-lived experimental designs that appeared briefly during production and were quickly discontinued. For example, the two known "clockwork" examples (the earliest motor) both have conventional half-nut bars!

So a blunt-end Home-type mandrel and a non-weighted (conventional) half-nut bar would be legitimate for your example. :)

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looks like a cool project! I want to see more! :D
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For whatever it is worth, here is some photos of 1265, missing is the weighted half nut,carriage which was traded, it should have been restored it was very rusty. Notice all brass mandrel, lift lever holder, last patent date is 1893. The governor has brass weights and unusual conical bushings. The on and off lever pushes on the governor pads, rather than a separate pad, the speed control knob is very short compared with later ones. The main shaft pulley is fancier that later ones.
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1893 is the last date on the patent tag, notice the lift lever holder.
1893 is the last date on the patent tag, notice the lift lever holder.
Motor detail conical pin bushings on the governor, brass weights, thin motor frame. on and off lever pushes on the pad instead of its own pad.
Motor detail conical pin bushings on the governor, brass weights, thin motor frame. on and off lever pushes on the pad instead of its own pad.
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MicaMonster wrote: RESTORATION, by my definition, means that you are performing REVERSIBLE cosmetic work to a piece.
Well said and absolutely true.
MicaMonster wrote: The finish on this is very worn, and the decorations are not matching my vision of what this should look like, in a serviceable oak cabinet. So I will strip the finish off, and commence repairs!
I understand your point. But how does this fit to your statement above? Do you plan a RESTORATION or a RENOVATION?

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"I understand your point. But how does this fit to your statement above? Do you plan a RESTORATION or a RENOVATION?"

Good question. I believe I would be restoring it, save the serial number bubble. I could weld on a BLANK serial number bubble.......but I am still on the fence. "Renovation" to me means that I would be up-fitting it with a repeater and a horizontal carriage to carry a Diamond-B. Maybe my reply to George Paul, below, will shed light on this being a restoration.

GEORGE: Yes, it could certainly take a regular brass mandrel. And furthermore, it would certainly take the regular Home carriage. Badged crank? I have to stick to having a badged crank.......for the coolness factor! George....you know me. Well, wait a minute.......you know me when I am garrulous and caffeinated! :lol:
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