WANTED: Reproducer for this unidentified Phonograph

[stevel]

I think this is a no name European Phonograph and I'm in need of a reproducer for it if anyone has anything suitable.
I'm in the UK but will pay shipping from anywhere.
Thanks
Steve

[Talkophone]

Steve I would think this would work.

Larry

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321161621394?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT

[DGPros]

It looks like a Columbia Graphophone model B "Eagle" 1897-1906 with the front nameplate missing (the picture is of the BX model which included a case)...... The patent information may be under the belt cover since yours may be a caseless model.

[Phonofreak]

Actually, I think this is a European clone of the Model B. On a Model B, the spring barrels are separate, not in one barrel. Also, On the oak base, there are little arms or clips that hold the lid on the case. On your base, I see what looks like screw inserts. The reproducer would be a floating type such as one for a Puck. Or something similar like for a Pathé. I also think the horn would be a spun aluminum horn that is so common on these small machines. Any other inputs of this machine?
Harvey Kravitz

[TinfoilPhono]

It's a European copy of a Columbia Eagle, but not exactly identical. There were lots and lots of manufacturers who stole the basic design and used it for their own machines.

The reproducer that Talkophone linked to would work, but the majority of Eagle-style European machines I've seen/owned used used a reproducer like the normal Eagle type. I have one machine with a reproducer that looks just like an American Eagle reproducer except that it's stamped "Reproducteur".

You can also find them with "Le Cahit" reproducers, but those are rare.

Your best bet is a regular Eagle type, but barring that the repro from JS would certainly work fine.

Edit: the horn could be either a spun aluminum with wide bell (reproductions are around) or a 'cor de chasse' hunting horn that points backwards. Those are really tough to find.

[phonogfp]

It looks like a Columbia Graphophone model B "Eagle" 1897-1906 with the front nameplate missing......obviously The patent information may be under the belt cover since this is the caseless model.

Not sure which machine was being called "caseless," but just to clarify for newcomers that BOTH of the pictured machines have cases. The lids are not shown. Also, the photo of the "Eagle" with black horn is from the Antique Phonograph Society website: www.antiquephono.org.

George P.

[DGPros]

It looks like a Columbia Graphophone model B "Eagle" 1897-1906 with the front nameplate missing......obviously The patent information may be under the belt cover since this is the caseless model.

Not sure which machine was being called "caseless," but just to clarify for newcomers that BOTH of the pictured machines have cases. The lids are not shown. Also, the photo of the "Eagle" with black horn is from the Antique Phonograph Society website: http://www.antiquephono.org.

George P.

Whoops, that was confusing. I reworded it to help clarify any confusion.

[phonogfp]

It looks like a Columbia Graphophone model B "Eagle" 1897-1906 with the front nameplate missing (the picture is of the BX model which included a case)...... The patent information may be under the belt cover since yours may be a caseless model.

The photo (with black horn) is of a "B" model, which came with and without a case. (The "BX" designation appeared in 1900, and is still something of a mystery, as the machine did not change as far as I know.)

George P.

[DGPros]

It looks like a Columbia Graphophone model B "Eagle" 1897-1906 with the front nameplate missing (the picture is of the BX model which included a case)...... The patent information may be under the belt cover since yours may be a caseless model.

The photo (with black horn) is of a "B" model, which came with and without a case. (The "BX" designation appeared in 1900, and is still something of a mystery, as the machine did not change as far as I know.)

George P.

My information was taken from The compleat Talking Machine 5th edition page 140. It states.. "Model B and BX "Eagle" 1897-1906. For the first three years of production, this machine was known as the B in caseless form and the BX when enclosed in a bentwood cabinet.All later machines had cases and therefore have a "BX" patent plate." ...It then goes on about the dbl spring , sturdy and widely copied. It ends by saying.. "Caseless models have the patent information stamped on the belt cover since they have no patent plates. The Eagle cost an "eagle" a $10.00 gold piece. The case was $2.00 extra."

I am far from an expert on these matters, I just happened to be reading up on these machines when I saw this post.

[stevel]

Thanks all - mine does have a case but I didn't include it in the photo.
I'll keep an eye out for an original reproducer but its good to know there's a repro available if I can't find one.
I do have a nice little aluminium horn that will suit it - it's going to be more of a display piece than a serious player I think!