new aditions

[tinovanderzwan]

the new aditions to my collection
a Pathé diamond no5 a hmv 87 and a columbia 205 a tri-angular lindstrom machine a columbia 104 and a eriphone box phonograph
enjoy the pics

tino

[2Bdecided]

Interesting. Why does it have two tone arms?

I thought maybe one lateral, one vertical, but they both seem to be set up for playing vertical-cut discs, so...?

Cheers,
David.

[stevel]

Interesting. Why does it have two tone arms?

I thought maybe one lateral, one vertical, but they both seem to be set up for playing vertical-cut discs, so...?

Cheers,
David.

It's for Jazz records to get that authentic different tunes at the same time sound

Steve

[VintageTechnologies]

Interesting. Why does it have two tone arms?

I thought maybe one lateral, one vertical, but they both seem to be set up for playing vertical-cut discs, so...?

Cheers,
David.

I don't really know the answer here, but Pathé did in fact make some models with twin tonearms to boost the volume, just like the Polyphone tonearms on cylinder phonographs. Due to the distance between the two reproducers, the echo effect must have been considerable.

The two reproducers here are different, causing me to believe one of them isn't original. Perhaps the missing original was a lateral reproducer.

[emgcr]

The twin tonearm Pathé is fascinating and I understand the firm made quite a few different examples with such features but this is the first portable I have seen---it would be good to know the full history. Do you have photos/drawings of the internal horn arrangement ? I have made a machine like this and the echo effect can be appealing depending upon the initial timing which can be fun to vary. I believe the larger versions with big brass external horns were used in cafés and other public places and were quite loud. It seems reasonable to suppose that originally this machine may have had identical soundboxes/reproducers. Do you have a video to demonstrate the sound ?

[CarlosV]

I've seen Pathé machines with dual arms, and in all cases one of them was fitted with a soundbox to reproduce lateral records (the fitting to the arm in both is identical, but the lateral soundbox has an angled fitting to align properly to the record), so it was not designed to play simultaneously the two arms. It looks like it is the case here, but instead of fitting one the arms with the lateral record soundbox, it has two hill-and-dale ones, possibly replaced by the owner.

I have seen other one with two arms designed to play simultaneously: it is a Concert Automatique, coin-op, quite portentous with a pair of horns and respective arms and soundboxes. Guido Severinjs from Netherlands is selling one in his web site, with a nice video demonstrating it. He's asking too much for my pocket, though.

I have a German one with twin arms and horns, smaller in size than the Concert but also designed to play simultaneously. It is tricky to play as you have to align the two needles on the same groove for it to play properly. It produces a nice reverberation, like the music is played in a large hall.

[emgcr]

I have seen other one with two arms designed to play simultaneously: it is a Concert Automatique, coin-op, quite portentous with a pair of horns and respective arms and soundboxes. Guido Severinjs from Netherlands is selling one in his web site, with a nice video demonstrating it. He's asking too much for my pocket, though.

Here is the link to the sales photos :

http://www.phonograph.nl/disk_phonograp ... llerij]/3/

and here is the direct link to the You Tube video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... dCqpNA0cMg

[alang]

Charlie Hummel has a Pathé with dual vertical tonearms and he demonstrated it for me. It was quite a pain to find the same groove for both sapphire needles, but once that problem was solved it played quite well. Very interesting concept, but more hassle than benefit I think. Never saw a portable with dual tonearms though.

Andreas

[tinovanderzwan]

i have a second identical reproducer but its in pieces because of pot metal rot but i'm sure a replacement will turn up
it came with 3 reproducers 2 vertical and 1 lateral
the duo tonearm works the machine plays at a speed of 80 to 100+ rpm this is a early type of the Pathé diamond the later portables came with reproducers with a aluminium membrane the earliest types of Pathé diamond record where etched label and had a speed of over 90 rpm

one of the arms doesn't connect to a horn just to the sound space bellow it so it could also be used as a day & night machine (one arm softone and one loud tone) but the duo configuration works quite well like a band in a very large hall with the echo's off the walls

i repaired a Pathé olophone a few years back and had it in posession for several months while its owner was abroad so i've become quite good in positioning the reproducers
1 ouside start records : most Pathé's of the later period have a intro groove from the edge to the first groove
place rep, 1 on the edge of the record and turn the record until the saphire drops into the lead-in groove and repeat same for no 2 then start motor and give the platter a twist up to speed
2 center start : there's a raised edge ring on the inside of the center starts place saphires right up to the edge and give platter a twist up to speed
once you got the hang of it its quite simpel aldough a bumb or a scratch can offset the reproducers as can worn groove walls and a lot of the center starts have worn first grooves then the magic won't happen and the sound is chaos
also it won't work with records with a speed under 90 rpm the distance between the two reproducers will be too large
with a machine like the german ultraphone the reproducers are nearly touching each other the greater the speed the further the reproducers can be appart for this to work

tino

[edisonplayer]

If I got another machine it'd be that Pathé portable.edisonplayer