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Interesting cylindrical machine for auction in UK.
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:34 am
by epigramophone
At first glance I wondered whether this was a cabinet gramophone of the Tyrela type to which a back bracket had been added, but on reflection I think it deserves the benefit of the doubt.
The case is of good quality and the entire machine appears to be of the same age. Restored and with a suitable horn it would look most impressive.
If it were not for the round trip of over 300 miles I would be tempted to take it on as a project.
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... e801124be9
Re: Interesting cylindrical machine for auction in UK.
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:50 am
by CarlosV
Indeed a quite unique machine! looks authentic and well done.
Re: Interesting cylindrical machine for auction in UK.
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:00 pm
by pallophotophone
The crank extension / angle and escutcheon doesn't look right to me.
Re: Interesting cylindrical machine for auction in UK.
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:03 pm
by poodling around
Are the wing nuts authentic I wonder ?
Re: Interesting cylindrical machine for auction in UK.
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:06 pm
by CarlosV
pallophotophone wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:00 pm
The crank extension / angle and escutcheon doesn't look right to me.
Indeed it looks disengaged, probably only hanging on the hole. The best is always to inspect it in person, but I could not see in the photos any obvious sign of falsification.
Re: Interesting cylindrical machine for auction in UK.
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:08 pm
by epigramophone
pallophotophone wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:00 pm
The crank extension / angle and escutcheon doesn't look right to me.
As Carlos says, the odd angle of the winding handle suggests that it has not engaged with the motor.
Re: Interesting cylindrical machine for auction in UK.
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:10 pm
by epigramophone
poodling around wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:03 pm
Are the wing nuts authentic I wonder ?
Some back brackets were attached with wing nuts, others with knurled round nuts which look better.
Re: Interesting cylindrical machine for auction in UK.
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:58 pm
by poodling around
epigramophone wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:10 pm
poodling around wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:03 pm
Are the wing nuts authentic I wonder ?
Some back brackets were attached with wing nuts, others with knurled round nuts which look better.
I see.
Thank you very much as always epigramophone.
Re: Interesting cylindrical machine for auction in UK.
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:04 pm
by jamiegramo
It’s difficult to judge an item without actually seeing it. There’s a few things that don’t look quite right to me. Whilst wing nuts were used I doubt they would be used where they can be obviously seen on a round fine inlaid cabinet. Also the back bracket is mounted on poorly fitting wood and then there’s the depth of the bucket (now the motor housing). Personally I would put my money on a Wine Cooler, early 20th Century in the Sheraton Style. Close examination might reveal that the inside was once metal lined or maybe still is. The lid now being the motor board.
Re: Interesting cylindrical machine for auction in UK.
Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:29 am
by soundgen
jamiegramo wrote: Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:04 pm
It’s difficult to judge an item without actually seeing it. There’s a few things that don’t look quite right to me. Whilst wing nuts were used I doubt they would be used where they can be obviously seen on a round fine inlaid cabinet. Also the back bracket is mounted on poorly fitting wood and then there’s the depth of the bucket (now the motor housing). Personally I would put my money on a Wine Cooler, early 20th Century in the Sheraton Style. Close examination might reveal that the inside was once metal lined or maybe still is. The lid now being the motor board.
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