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A good working HMV model 163 78 rpm gramophone phonograph , relisted by Dave Smith but reasonable price , top needs work but looks doable

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154769083513 ... SwNcxhvKeb

In Dave Smith Land where everything is a "good phonograph gramophone".

.... except cylinder phonographs, which are phonographs!

Steve wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:21 pm In Dave Smith Land where everything is a "good phonograph gramophone".

Yes but £425 is a good price , and the wood looks easily dealt with . the last one I had sold on Ebay for £800 and this one on now is £749

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284177336866 ... SwVDlgIVFy

soundgen wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:55 pm

Steve wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:21 pm In Dave Smith Land where everything is a "good phonograph gramophone".

Yes but £425 is a good price , and the wood looks easily dealt with . the last one I had sold on Ebay for £800 and this one on now is £749

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284177336866 ... SwVDlgIVFy

So long as it has an internal horn

soundgen wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:57 pm

soundgen wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:55 pm

Steve wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:21 pm In Dave Smith Land where everything is a "good phonograph gramophone".

Yes but £425 is a good price , and the wood looks easily dealt with . the last one I had sold on Ebay for £800 and this one on now is £749

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284177336866 ... SwVDlgIVFy

So long as it has an internal horn

Yes! Some years ago I found one for sale locally. It had been bought from a gramophone dealer, long since retired. I thought it didn't sound right, so I left and visited again with a screwdriver. Sure enough, just a horrible makeshift horn dangling in the cabinet.

soundgen wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:55 pm

Steve wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:21 pm In Dave Smith Land where everything is a "good phonograph gramophone".

Yes but £425 is a good price , and the wood looks easily dealt with . the last one I had sold on Ebay for £800 and this one on now is £749

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284177336866 ... SwVDlgIVFy

You were extremely lucky, that's all I can say. The one for sale at £750 has been for sale for ages. Not many collectors will pay much more than £450 for a really nice example. I've seen 193s sell for little more than £1000. It's nonsensical.

Personally speaking I wouldn't buy a 163 unless it was pristine. Unlike the bigger models it's not uncommon and refinished cabinets never look ideal.

Steve wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:15 amI've seen 193s sell for little more than £1000. It's nonsensical.

Do tell. Fortunately not many collectors are aware of how good those things sound... When I find a nice 202/203 I'll be done with collecting.

Garret

Steve may have been referring to this 193 which was sold in October 2020 for a hammer price of £950.
I knew the machine and it's late owner well. There was nothing fundamentally wrong with it.

https://auctions.specialauctionservices ... iew%3Dgrid

There's a 163 for sale at an auction in Sussex in a few days' time: https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auct ... 1401024b0d