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Henry wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:32 pm The 'cello sound on the Credenza definitely has more presence. I also feel that it is reproducing more evenly across the frequency spectrum. The bass response is outstanding. The HMV sounds to me somewhat distant and even muffled in some passages. Mind you, both machines are very impressive, but I prefer the Credenza for this recording. However, I believe that the real test for these Ortho machines is how they reproduce the full symphony orchestra, which is probably the most complex sound environment in the musical world.

Henry wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:32 pm The 'cello sound on the Credenza definitely has more presence. I also feel that it is reproducing more evenly across the frequency spectrum. The bass response is outstanding. The HMV sounds to me somewhat distant and even muffled in some passages. Mind you, both machines are very impressive, but I prefer the Credenza for this recording. However, I believe that the real test for these Ortho machines is how they reproduce the full symphony orchestra, which is probably the most complex sound environment in the musical world.

Henry wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:50 pm To my ears, the 202 is brighter (it captures the high frequencies better) than the Credenza, with better separation of the orchestra and piano, although there is some shrillness (distortion) in the louder passages. On the Credenza, the orchestra sounds more distant and has a somewhat "tubby" quality. I prefer the immediacy of the 202, even with the overmodulation. I detect some wow (speed variation) in both, more noticeable on the Credenza, especially in the solo piano at the beginning. (Note: check the record for possible slightly off-center hole, which I thought I saw in the very brief view of the Credenza at needle drop.) Thanks for posting these examples!

Watanabehi wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:55 pm Hello Re-entrant horn Lovers,

Here are two videos of comparing HMV 202 and Two-door Credenza sound. I used my hand-made susudake bamboo needle (same length) for both. The HMV 202 has its original oxidized silver soundbox and the Two-door Credenza has its original brass reproducer.

Hideki

Watanabehi wrote: Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:38 pm

Henry wrote: Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:32 pm The 'cello sound on the Credenza definitely has more presence. I also feel that it is reproducing more evenly across the frequency spectrum. The bass response is outstanding. The HMV sounds to me somewhat distant and even muffled in some passages. Mind you, both machines are very impressive, but I prefer the Credenza for this recording. However, I believe that the real test for these Ortho machines is how they reproduce the full symphony orchestra, which is probably the most complex sound environment in the musical world.

Here are the two videos of two-door Credenza and HMV 202 playing Willam Kappel and Khachaturian Piano Concerto. It starts with the piano solo and the orchestra joins to the end. I use an identical susudake bamboo needle to play it. If I use a steel needle, it is too loud. I hope you enjoy it.

Hideki