Pathéphone No. 8 with rare pavillon torsade

[Steve]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134646860569 ... media=COPY

The horn is one of the most coveted horns you can buy on the continent. The machine appears to be in great condition with a good example of the horn. It's all working so why is it so cheap with just a few hours to go?

[CarlosV]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134646860569 ... media=COPY

The horn is one of the most coveted horns you can buy on the continent. The machine appears to be in great condition with a good example of the horn. It's all working so why is it so cheap with just a few hours to go?

Steve, the Pathéphone 8 is a relatively common machine that usually is not sold for high prices. The differentiator is in this case is the torsadé horn, that indeed looks in great shape.

[epigramophone]

"May not post to United Kingdom" will put off many potential bidders in the UK, and this is not the easiest machine to pack.

[Steve]

"May not post to United Kingdom" will put off many potential bidders in the UK, and this is not the easiest machine to pack.

I doubt there are (m)any serious buyers in the UK for this. Incidentally, I've already got a No. 8 which I imported from France fairly successfully. It is doable but you are relying on the seller's packing skills to a great degree. My flower horn did arrive dented but I'm suspicious of the seller as in my case the package wasn't damaged enough to cause the horn indentation.

I also have a Concert Modele A with pavilion torsade which again was shipped from France without an issue and that is one seriously heavy machine.

[Steve]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134646860569 ... media=COPY

The horn is one of the most coveted horns you can buy on the continent. The machine appears to be in great condition with a good example of the horn. It's all working so why is it so cheap with just a few hours to go?

Steve, the Pathéphone 8 is a relatively common machine that usually is not sold for high prices. The differentiator is in this case is the torsadé horn, that indeed looks in great shape.

Yes, admittedly the 8 isn't the rarest model but with that said it's a far better machine than the 2, 4 and 6 below it and in the minds of many collectors, more attractive and preferable to the plainer looking 10 in mahogany. I think it's only bettered by the 12, which isn't all that commonly found and of course the elusive 14 which you and I have been on the trail of for the past decade at least!

This raises a question in my mind, there was a Modele 16 as well but then an 18 appeared at the same time the 12 became a 20! What is the ultimate Pathéphone horn model from the 1910-1914 period? Is it the 14?

I guess the 'E' and the 'S' would be the best before 1910?

[epigramophone]

According to the Fabrizio & Paul book "A World of Antique Phonographs", the 14 stood at the top of the Pathé machine range.
They describe it as "An impossible rarity today", so good luck finding one for sale.

[Steve]

According to the Fabrizio & Paul book "A World of Antique Phonographs", the 14 stood at the top of the Pathé machine range.
They describe it as "An impossible rarity today", so good luck finding one for sale.

Yes, I have that book and acknowledge the statement made but no one appears to have ever explained the existence of the Model 16 which was more expensive than the 14. Its possible the 18 was part of a later range with Pathé using consecutive numbering and the earlier 12 becoming a 20 is simply down to the "hang-over" of existing stock?

The 16 question has always fascinated me. Is it a phantom, a machine that only appears in catalogues and was actually never put into production?

[CarlosV]

Yes, admittedly the 8 isn't the rarest model but with that said it's a far better machine than the 2, 4 and 6 below it and in the minds of many collectors, more attractive and preferable to the plainer looking 10 in mahogany. I think it's only bettered by the 12, which isn't all that commonly found and of course the elusive 14 which you and I have been on the trail of for the past decade at least!

This raises a question in my mind, there was a Modele 16 as well but then an 18 appeared at the same time the 12 became a 20! What is the ultimate Pathéphone horn model from the 1910-1914 period? Is it the 14?

I guess the 'E' and the 'S' would be the best before 1910?

We are in agreement that the 14 is the one to look for. It is quite rare, I have seen both of its variants (external and internal horns) in a collection, beautiful white painted horn. The 16 is also rare, but it is not an attractive machine, quite plain. The 18 was also sold later as 180, I have both, they are great to play the 50 cm records, with the big Pathé motor same as the Concert A.

[Steve]

Going back to the 8 on Ebay. That was insanely cheap with 44 watchers. There must have been something wrong with it for it to be ignored like that. The horn alone can add 1000 Euros to the value of a slightly more desirable Pathé horn model (read: the 12 as we all know the 14 exists in a surviving number less than 4)

[CarlosV]

According to the Fabrizio & Paul book "A World of Antique Phonographs", the 14 stood at the top of the Pathé machine range.
They describe it as "An impossible rarity today", so good luck finding one for sale.

Roger, I am not sure if the 14 was at the top of the range - as a machine it is not better than the 18 - but as I replied to Steve, it is the rarest of them. Not impossible to find, but certainly hard.