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Recently got an incomplete Type Vic-IV, SN 22414.

I was reading on the Victor Victrola website that this model was made up until about 1920. Mine was probably made before 1912 and takes a slotted crank. Did all IV's take a slotted crank. I've looked at pictures of this model on the Internet. Some of them look like they used a threaded male crank. So I'm wondering if the motor was changed, maybe the type of motor in a VV-VI(?).

John

jboger wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 8:39 pm Recently got an incomplete Type Vic-IV, SN 22414.

I was reading on the Victor Victrola website that this model was made up until about 1920. Mine was probably made before 1912 and takes a slotted crank. Did all IV's take a slotted crank. I've looked at pictures of this model on the Internet. Some of them look like they used a threaded male crank. So I'm wondering if the motor was changed, maybe the type of motor in a VV-VI(?).

John

They made the Vic-IV for a long time. Earlier ones used a slotted crank and later ones a threaded crank. It does not necessarily mean a motor was swapped.

Thanks, JerryVan. That answers one question. The other question wasn't so much concerned with motors being swapped out, but rather did the later Vic IVs with a threaded crank have a different motor as well, original but different from the earlier motors.

Early Victor motors have rounder governor weights, and the governor itself has a coarser worm when compared to later motors like those used in a VV-VI. Mine has an early motor. But I'm wondering if Victor continued to use the early motor until 1920 or did the late Vic IV's have motors like those in a VV-VI.

John

It also becomes confusing because Victor made the Victor IV and VI and the Victrola or VV-IV and VV-VI. I try not to use the appreciation "Vic".

Jerry B.

Early Victor motors have rounder governor weights, and the governor itself has a coarser worm when compared to later motors like those used in a VV-VI. Mine has an early motor. But I'm wondering if Victor continued to use the early motor until 1920 or did the late Vic IV's have motors like those in a VV-VI.

For the vast majority of Victor horn machine production the motors went through few changes except minor changes such as transitioning from a slotted to threaded cranks. But Victor continued to manufacture horn machines primarily (?) for export. Those machines are more likely to exhibit Victrola mechanical traits such as brakes, motors, etc. I once owned a Victor II with a Victrola type double spring motor with two springs in one barrel as well as a Victrola type brake. But when I see something like that I continue to look for signs of an extra crank hole or motor holes in the deck and am skeptical.

Jerry B.

I took Vic IV off the tag, which has "Type Vic IV" on it. But I understand the confusion and in the future refer to it as Victor IV.

John

Post some pictures of it

I will, hopefully later today or tomorrow . Not much to look at; no horn and elbow.. I can take the horn and elbow of a Victor MS so people can see what it looks like complete.

John

And some pictures . . . What you see is what I got. The reproducer is desperately in need of repair, but it works. It takes a round needle. I took my horn and elbow off an original Victor Monarch Special and it fit perfectly well. So a Victor III horn elbow would also work. Runs very smoothly. It has an early motor, not the type with a round bedplate one finds on Monarchs and Type E's, but an early one nonetheless. I date the machine to ca. 1910. The serial number is 22412, the same as on the paper label on the bottom, which is intact. Motor takes a slotted crank.

The reason the platter does not lie flat is because I didn't seat it properly. It's fine.

As you can see the front button and latch is missing. I've posted a request for that part elsewhere on the Forum. I took one off my Victor Monarch and took a photo of that. It fits to a Tee.

John

What a beauty!