HMV label without Nipper?

[Torjazzer]

A fellow record and gramophone collector recently presented this oddity at a CAPS meeting. Neither he nor anyone at the meeting had ever seen this HMV-type label before. Can anyone shed some light on this?

[Inigo]

Logic in a certain way. Examined The Gramophone Co. discography inherited from Alan Kelly and continued by John Milmo and others (https://gramophonecompanydiscography.com) this matrix 1389s corresponds to the first lot made in Berlin by Max Hampe just after the outbreak of WWI, the latest registered in London documents being 1386s of June 30th, 1914, when the connections with London were interrupted, the war being declared one month later, likely during Hampe holidays. Here the series data are interrupted, and the next matrices have unknown date of recording, attributed by others to 1918.
So if this was recorded and released during or after the war, the ties between Gramophone and Deutsche Grammophon were already cut, and probably this label is one of the German label versions done after the injunction which forbid the use of the common nipper label for the German company outside Germany. The trick here is to omit the Nipper from the forbidden trade mark.
Michael Kinnear wrote an interesting article about the story of the Musica G. D. company in ARSC journal spring 2021, no52, pp56-67 where he tells this label brand with the talking machine alone was used by Polyphon werke, the new owners of the German gramophone branch, temporarily, etc in association with Musica G D... The full story is there.
The full article can be read in https://bajakhana.com.au/musica-g-d/ and this label is described in pp 59-60.

[jamiegramo]

Some more information.

Where is Nipper?

https://grammophon-platten.de/page.php?548

[Inigo]

This tin must be from the same German Grammophon transition period...

[Lah Ca]

Hey ...

This issue has been definitively dealt with elsewhere here in this forum.

Case closed:

viewtopic.php?t=58462

[Inigo]