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Is this the end of our hobby?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 12:57 pm
by Curt A
Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:42 pm
by Steve
The HMV and Victor models at least look convincing! In fact the HMV is genuine, I'm almost certain, so no, it is not the end because a seller is offering expectedly "fake" items cheaply which might appear convincing enough to tempt a casual purchase. It is the end because apparently no one is buying anything anymore, including the genuine items!
Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:54 pm
by OrthoFan
The Vic. VI looks genuine too. Authentic mfg. plate, crazed finish, plating, etc..
I'm sure there are some Indian collectors with real collections.
Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:23 pm
by TinfoilPhono
This scammer has been discussed previously. He simply steals pictures online. The most egregious is this listing for a one-of-a-kind prototype that is in the Smithsonian:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156735935707.
I reported it to eBay, with links to the Smithsonian page showing it. They responded that the listing didn't violate their listing practices. So according to eBay, it's okay to offer to sell artifacts in museums.
Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:29 pm
by jamiegramo
The listings are a scam. The first hand wind Berliner listed is an old repro though I doubt the seller knew that when he poached the pictures.
Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:45 pm
by Curt A
Like Abraham Lincoln once said: "Don't trust everything you see on the internet." Especially if it looks too good to be true...
I thought those Crap-O-Phone guys just improved their manufacturing techniques...
Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:55 pm
by jamiegramo
Curt A wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:45 pm
Like Abraham Lincoln once said: "Don't trust everything you see on the internet." Especially if it looks too good to be true...
I thought those Crap-O-Phone guys just improved their manufacturing techniques...
Did Abraham Lincoln really say that? Or did you read it on an Indian ebay auction?
Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:56 pm
by epigramophone
Forget originality and provenance. In the antiques trade generally all that matters today is, does it have "the look".
Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 6:02 pm
by Curt A
jamiegramo wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:55 pm
Curt A wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:45 pm
Like Abraham Lincoln once said: "Don't trust everything you see on the internet." Especially if it looks too good to be true...
I thought those Crap-O-Phone guys just improved their manufacturing techniques...
Did Abraham Lincoln really say that? Or did you read it on an Indian ebay auction?
Of course he did...
Re: Is this the end of our hobby?
Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 6:59 pm
by Sidewinder
jamiegramo wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:29 pm
The first hand wind Berliner listed is an old repro though I doubt the seller knew that when he poached the pictures.
Yes, I believe made in Italy in the 1970's. The Victor version is correct.
I would have thought that stealing pictures from other websites and using them to fake "sell" on ebay is a major violation? ebay needs to check their chatbot / ai system as it is is deficient.