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VV4-3 Restored

Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:58 pm
by Paul Cappelloni
A few weeks ago I posted photographs of my grandfather's Victrola 4-3 straight from the attic of his house. (see post http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewto ... f=2&t=6058) Since then I found a lid from Great Lakes Antique Phonograph. George Vollema also replace my broken tonearm support. Here a quick video of it playing Is It Possible - Fox Trot 20819-b

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn30i6RTaUo[/youtube]

I want to thank everyone how offered advise, leads on parts, and encouragement.

Re: VV4-3 Restored

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:50 am
by OrthoFan
It looks like you've done a great job, but the turntable is spinning WAY too fast. It sounds like it's turning about 90 rpm, instead of 78 rpm.

The record should sound like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifb48PEVKOQ[/youtube]

If you don't have a strobe handy, you can clamp a bit of tissue paper under a record and count the number of times the paper it hits your finger as the turntable spins -- For 78 rpm, the paper should strike your finger 39 times in 30 seconds.

You can actually get a good disc strobe online--that you can print with a standard printer--that works with a light bulb shining on it, but I can't find the link for it right now.

You'll notice a considerable improvement in the sound quality once you get the turntable at the correct speed.

HTH,
OF

Re: VV4-3 Restored

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 6:30 am
by recordo
Here's a link to the vintage record changers site that allows you to print out a strobe card:

http://myvintagetv.com/strobe.htm

Re: VV4-3 Restored

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 11:05 am
by OrthoFan
Hi Recordo:

Yes that's that link. Many thanks.

There are other, simpler strobes, available online.

I found the one I use, this morning, which I got from the Old Crank site --

http://www.oldcrank.com/articles/ (60 Hz for US/50 Hz for Europe, etc.)

It's very basic--just three speeds--but it works pretty well.

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Re: VV4-3 Restored

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:08 pm
by Paul Cappelloni
You know that is what I thought. I thought I could do it by ear but I guess my ear is off ;) . Thanks to the link to the strobe. I'll work calibrating the speed with that but the example of the recording playing at the correct speed is a big help. I make the new video and at 78 rpm without the Alvin & Chipmunk effect.

Thanks again,

Re: VV4-3 Restored

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 12:44 pm
by OrthoFan
Hi Paul:

I look forward to seeing/hearing the new video. The Consolette, for its size, is a very powerful performer. While the horn is too small to pump out true bass, you do get excellent mid-range sound and solid treble. Depending on the room's acoustic properties, there may also be a good "impression of bass." I remember that the one I had did an especially good job of playing later electrical recordings, such as those made during the "Big Band" era, providing I used a soft tone needle.


OF

Re: VV4-3 Restored

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 4:57 pm
by EdiBrunsVic
The Victrola looks great!

Re: VV4-3 Restored

Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 10:39 pm
by Paul Cappelloni
Here are some photos of the cabinet before I received the lid and installed it. I followed the basic restoration process that is available on this forum. Kotten Klenser is a wonderful product and was used to remove decades of dust and exposure to wide temperature swings. The only thing I didn't do is rebuild the orthophonic reproducer or change the gasket between it and the tonearm. I am afraid that the pot metal will crumble if I mess with it.
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The one orthophonic record I have is the one that my brothers and I would play when we were kids using the same needle multiple times or a used needle since we didn't know any better. Unfortunately that record is pretty beat up as a result. I know now that it is one needle to one play and in the discard pot it goes.

Re: VV4-3 Restored

Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 9:34 am
by Paul Cappelloni
Thanks for pointing me to the strobe patterns. That was very helpful in correcting the speed. Here the playback of side A of the same Victor VE record (20819-A " What Do We Do On A Dew-Dew-Dewy Day"). I apologies for the poor condition of this recording. It was subjected to children (me and my bothers) that didn't know the proper way to the machine.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOcQ83tzR6w[/youtube]

Re: VV4-3 Restored

Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 9:40 am
by FloridaClay
Congrats. It is alwasy great to see another survivor brought back to life.

Clay