Very Late Victor VI Restoration Questions

[Phono-Phan]

I posted how I restored a Victor VI that had a Victrola motor installed in it. Here is the link to that post: viewtopic.php?p=367255&hilit=Victor+VI#p367255
I know of a newer collector that has a very late Victor VI that had a Victrola motor installed in it also. The motor board and crank side of the case has been modified to accept the motor. My question is what kind of motor would have been in his Victor VI originally. The motor board has the smaller opening in it for the spindle to come through so it wouldn't have the yielding style turntable. I have been talking with this collector and have offered to restore his late Victor VI if we can find out the correct motor for it. The tone arm has the drop rod for an automatic brake. Does anyone have a late Victor VI that could post some pictures? I really think his Victor VI needs to be brought back to life. Thanks for any help.

[edisonphono]

Attached are photos of a similar Victor VI s/n 13892A from my own collection.

Regards,

Bill Meyer
East Syracuse, N.Y.
http://ascobill.wixsite.com/edisonphono

[Phono-Phan]

THANKS for the pictures. There has been some discussion on another site that it should have the yielding turntable and I didn't think that was correct. Your pictures verify it. I would think it should also have the stamped turntable? Is it OK if I use a couple pictures to post what I am looking for on another site? I noticed that your motorboard has a bit larger hole for the spindle. The hole in the motorboard of the one my friend has is much smaller. I am waiting for my friend to send me the serial number on his.
THANKS!!! Ken Brekke

[JerryVan]

Interesting that even though it has the earlier type of motor, it also has the fine tooth gears, (as opposed to the square tooth gears).

[edisonphono]

It does use a stamped turntable.
I was playing around comparing parts when I first restored it, and discovered that my exposed speed control
Victor XVI s/n 93551G uses the same turntable, although the motors are completely different.
I dated the Victor XVI in the Baumbach book to be mfg. sometime during the 4th quarter of 1913,
so I assume that my Victor VI was made in the same time frame.

[Phono-Phan]

The serial number on my friend's is 13971. According to the Victor Data Book, this model's last serial number was 14001. There is an entry in the Victor Data book about one that used a male crank but says that none were shipped. Thanks for all the input. This Victor VI needs to be saved. I have asked form more pictures to share.

[JohnM]

The indexing post (“drop rod”) is actually for a semi-automatic brake that has to be manually indexed. Automatic brakes didn’t appear until the introduction of Orthophonic Victrolas and eccentric run-out grooves.

[1913Concert]

I have SN 13951-A and it is identical in every way to the photos above. It has a female crank with the slightly larger opening seen on the later female cranks of Victrolas of around 1913. The License Notice is dated August 1913. I can post pictures of it but as I say it is just like what you see above.
Best wishes, Bob Murray

[Phono-Phan]

I have SN 13951-A and it is identical in every way to the photos above. It has a female crank with the slightly larger opening seen on the later female cranks of Victrolas of around 1913. The License Notice is dated August 1913. I can post pictures of it but as I say it is just like what you see above.
Best wishes, Bob Murray

Does your motor take the 5/16" crank?

[1913Concert]

Yes, it has the 5/16 " crank. A small, interesting detail is that the crank has a black painted handle as do Victrolas of this period instead of the handle being finished to match the cabinet wood. Just a little thing but interesting nevertheless. If you would like photos of my Victor VI just let me know and I will post them. Your friend's machine's serial number is just 20 beyond this one. Bob.