Is these fake victor?

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he16767
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Is these fake victor?

Post by he16767 »

Hello every one!
I am new here!
Sorry for my bad English :P

I am going to buy a victor gramophone,
but I am a new player for gramophone...

So,can anyone help me to identify these gramophones
which is fake ,which is real?

1.
http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded ... 100125.jpg

2.
http://img04.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded ... 045833.jpg

3.
http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded ... 065937.jpg

The photos is just copied from the auction site... :P

Regards!
Martin

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Re: Is these fake victor?

Post by Starkton »

All fakes, probably Indian.

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Re: Is these fake victor?

Post by EdiBrunsVic »

I agree, they are fakes. You may want to contact someone using the "links" section of the forum for more guidance.

estott
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Re: Is these fake victor?

Post by estott »

All fake- stay far away from them

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Re: Is these fake victor?

Post by OrthoFan »

Hi Martin:

As noted, they are all fake Victor machines. Some were made out of parts taken from real gramophones--but none of them were made by Victor.

If you plan to buy a Victor Talking Machine, make sure you study the information on this site:

http://www.victor-victrola.com/

Also, be sure to look over the site's list of Victor models:

http://www.victor-victrola.com/new_page_2.htm

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By the way, if you would like to read the Victor Victrola page in your own language, you can copy and paste its web address into the box on this page --

http://translate.google.com/

After you do that, select your language (by clicking on the box next to the word "TO:"), and then click the blue translate button. The translation will not be perfect, of course, but it may be helpful.

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AZ*
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Best regards ... AZ*

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Blimpy
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Re: Is these fake victor?

Post by Blimpy »

Yes, they're all fakes. They'll play records, but nicer machines can be obtained easily.

Welcome to the forums!

he16767
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Re: Is these fake victor?

Post by he16767 »

"Victor"this brand is scary....
So I am looking at another unknown brand

Is this a fake?
http://img01.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i1/ ... 219273.jpg

http://img01.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i1/ ... 219273.jpg

http://img04.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i4/ ... 219273.jpg

Help

Regards
Martin

estott
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Re: Is these fake victor?

Post by estott »

Real. This is a Swiss machine very similar to the Decca portable: http://home.clara.net/patty/gramophones/decca.htm

If it is in good condition this machine will play records very well.

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Blimpy
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Re: Is these fake victor?

Post by Blimpy »

Thankfully, these reproduction machines all have common traits:
1. Swan-neck tonearm
2. Cheap, stamped brass flower horn.
3. A sharp bend where the horn connects to the tonearm, instead of a smooth curve.
4. Occasionally, the crank will be at an angle instead of at a 90 degree angle. This is because some portable machines had an angled crank to due to their small size.
5. Cheap reproduction "His Master's Voice" decal.
6. Unusual shapes such as circular or octagonal cases.
7. Always have an external horn.

Internal horn machines and portables are always a safe bet. Outside horn disc machines are rare as they were relatively early (1890s-1910s) and were all but obsolete after the decorative "Victrola" internal horn machines become popular in the '10s. Here are some pictures of true machines:

A real outside horn Victor:
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Another real outside horn gramophone:
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A tabletop internal horn machine:
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An upright internal horn machine:
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A typical portable:
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Another portable:
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