Help with a Victor Wood Horn ID

[MikeC]

Today I was lucky to pick up a Victor ( by the decal ) wood 22" horn.
By looking at another site I saw a Vic lll had one of this type and they called it a speartip wood horn.
Can anyone let me know what model machines these came with and any other info on it.

Unfortunately, I am only somewhat familiar with Victor internal and columbia Standard external horn machines.

Really appreciate any insight.


Mike

[Amberola 1-A]

Mike,

You didn't say whether it was oak or mahogany, but if oak it would fit the III and V and if mahogany the IV and VI. And of course earlier Victor machines that had the larger horn elbow.

Bill

I also should have mentioned that the spearpoint/speartip horn was $25.00 extra. The machines I mentioned would have come with the basic black and brass horn (earlier) or the black flowered horn.

[MikeC]

Bill,
Sorry...It looks mahogany ( very dark).......The tip of the end cone is 1 ⅝".
Appreciate your feedback.

Were the machines you mentioned then in mahogany? Or were they sold on any type.

It would be nice to find a machine that needed a horn........lol

Thanks Mike

[Amberola 1-A]

Bill,
Sorry...It looks mahogany ( very dark).......The tip of the end cone is 1 ⅝".
Appreciate your feedback.

Were the machines you mentioned then in mahogany? Or were they sold on any type.

It would be nice to find a machine that needed a horn........lol

Thanks Mike

Hi Mike,

The Vics III & V were in oak (though the late V could be found in mahogany too) and the Vics IV & VI were mahogany. Shellac will darken over time plus smoke (yeah, a lot of ppl. did that back then!) and will make it hard to tell w/o seeing the grain.
You will have a better chance finding a machine sans horn as they seem to have been seperated not uncommonly over the years than you would if you needed a horn.

Bill

[MikeC]

Bill
I am note sure of the wood by grain, but is reddish.........I have tried to attach some photos. Hopefully, you can tell from these.

Really appreciate your help. I restored a Columbia standard for my sone last year. That had a morninglory horn.....he loved it. This would be a nice gift for him for next year with the right machine........At least if I know what to match it with, I can look around.

So these are not to common to find??

[MordEth]

Mike,

Excellent photos! I’ll let someone else comment on how common or rare that horn is (I know very little about external horn machines), but I wanted to comment on the photos and that I was glad to see you were able to use the attachment feature here.

...back to working on the ‘official’ theme.

— MordEth

[ColoradoPhonograf]

Mike,

That was a great horn to find loose without a machine. I can't quite tell if it is oak or mahogany from the pictures.....shellac has a funny way of changing color over the years. If it is mahogany I would be on the lookout for a Vic IV to put under it. If you found a machine without the horn and nice you'd be looking in the $1400 range, a Vic VI would set you back $3500 or more. Once together you'd have a fabulous set up.

Congrats of finding that.

ColoradoPhonograf

[MikeC]

Thanks guys.........
is there a good way to clean up the surface so I could really tell if it was Oak or Mahogany?

So by what was said so far, it would pay to try and find a machine to match it up with.

The inside ( lower only, has some loss......about 9 pieces of the rounded sections right under the spears)

It caught my eye right away.......as I have ( on a columbia and edison) the metal horns, but have never seen a wood.

[Phonolair]

Hi Mike
Yes you have a Victor mahogany horn and as mentioned earlier was made for the Victor IV, VI and late V. You have a nice find as these mahogany speartip horns are hard to find. You mostly find them in oak which was more common. I would just use a mild cleaner on it and dark paste wax and be happy.
Best regards, Larry

[MikeC]

Appreciate all the help from everyone.............I'll start working on it, maybe with Murphy's oil soap in between the Sunday games.

Look forward to seeing how it turns out!