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Question: Are splatter wax cylinders possible?

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I love "splatter wax" disc records just for the color variations... Have splatter wax or resin cylinders been made or are they even possible to make?
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Yes, I think something approximating a "splatter" finish would be possible, Multicolored Catalin plastic radios were molded from a poured resin and they had unique patterns.

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Curious = were the Pathé splatter disc records just a sales gimmick? I still like looking at them though :o

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briankeith wrote:Curious = were the Pathé splatter disc records just a sales gimmick?
Probably, but not really sure why they started doing them - maybe to stand out from the other all black shellac records. The vibrantly colored 1916 Aeolian Vocalion records are amazing along with the later multicolored Morrison records.
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Oh sometimes the wax does splatter things, and those are usually rejected!!! Those new resin cylinders can easily be spattered with different colors. Wax is hard to keep the color spatters somewhat constant, as the wax darkens and wants to go brown, I have used candle dye and colored cylinders too!
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Some very early colored wax I made. I honestly have been trying in vain to make the white cylinder formula,it comes out brown:(. With Archeophone at Union 2000-2001.
Some very early colored wax I made. I honestly have been trying in vain to make the white cylinder formula,it comes out brown:(. With Archeophone at Union 2000-2001.
More multi colored cylinders I made.
More multi colored cylinders I made.
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Some multi-colored cylinders I made.  over 12 years ago.
Some multi-colored cylinders I made. over 12 years ago.
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This is an original cylinder with chemical problems.
This is an original cylinder with chemical problems.
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The cylinder on the left is not considered desirable by recordists or cylinder makers. It can be caused by too much hydrated alumina (stearic acid deficiency), also not conditioned yet, a virgin wax will do this, or burnt ceresin, and thus a rejected cylinder. If anyone wants blanks like this, let me know, they would be discounted greatly, an $8.00 blank, instead of the $45.00 one. as I don't consider these salable. I have ways of recycling them to make blanks like the solid, perfect one on the right, in the picture, that one is a good blank.
The cylinder on the left is not considered desirable by recordists or cylinder makers. It can be caused by too much hydrated alumina (stearic acid deficiency), also not conditioned yet, a virgin wax will do this, or burnt ceresin, and thus a rejected cylinder. If anyone wants blanks like this, let me know, they would be discounted greatly, an $8.00 blank, instead of the $45.00 one. as I don't consider these salable. I have ways of recycling them to make blanks like the solid, perfect one on the right, in the picture, that one is a good blank.

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Shawn,
Those reject splattered cylinders should record OK, right? If so, could you record some for me?
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Those new resin cylinders can easily be spattered with different colors.

Resin cylinders spattered with multi-colors would be great... especially if they could be made like the Aeolian Vocalion record pictured below...
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I could make something by Union. I only have 2. I have done lots research to avoid it from happening, some make noise and some don't add anything sonically, just an embarrassment, when it happens.

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