Help indentifying a hornless tabletop

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Re: Help indentifying a hornless tabletop

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Inigo wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:40 pm Yes, it's clearly a different make. The to board is attached with eight screws, three at each side and two at the back. The side and back boards are also screwed to the bottom. As soon as you remove the top board, the two doors fall apart, as they are engaged with simple pins between the top and the base boards.
In all, it results a tiny simple machine, very economic and nice. It's plays fairly well, though.
Lol. :lol: I was wondering if that would happen. Crikey, remove a few screws and you end up with a pile of firewood. :lol:

Many thanks for your answers to my questions. Its certainly appreciated.

Presumably these machines don't fetch much on the open market today? An equivalent HMV would run out of steam at £80 / €90.

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Re: Help indentifying a hornless tabletop

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In Spain these are more or less the same price. This coated me 90€ 15 years ago. Then it was cheap for what was used ,... Two years ago I bought a larger French hornless, like the hmv style iii or Victrola vi, and it costed me 150€ at the sundays flea market.
Nevertheless, in Spanish web market these cost a lot more, from 200€ up to 400€. At the flea market you can get those far cheaper....
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Re: Help indentifying a hornless tabletop

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Yes, this is the 'Cinch' as marketed outside the UK with an HMV badge. In France it was the 'Amphion Bis', in India it was the 'Pearl'. I am attaching some snapshots of a Pearl, showing the small roundhead screws in the motor-board that went into the plywood sides of the horn, and needed to be removed, along with the eight main screws, for the motor board to be removed. Inevitably, over the years and doubtless some unskilled removals of the board, the holes in the plywood have burst out and those four small screws no longer have any hold! Why were they thought necessary in the first place? I don't know, but this was the first of the 'motor-in-horn' models to appear on the UK market (shortly before the HMV Model 1 etc), so it may just be that it was thought advisable to secure the horn to the board but was subsequently found to be unnecessary.

I also attach a photo of the Angel trade-mark stamped on the back of the tone-arm, showing quite definitely that this is a Gramophone Company hornless machine without a gooseneck! Early examples, like this, from 1910, have metal grille (possibly fitted upside down in this case); later on, this was replaced by wood louvres. This applies to the Cinch and the HMV versions.
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Re: Help indentifying a hornless tabletop

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This Cinch seems to have also an inclined bottom horn board. Mine was completely missing.
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