Victor Black & Brass horn question

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Was the Victor B&B "L" size horn offered on any other phonograph besides the Auxetophone? Secondly, did it come with a super duper heavy duty elbow to support all of that weight floating out there at 36 inches? I ask these questions because I recently aquired a Victor V with an 36" "L".

Thanks

[Ripduf1]

I checked a few of the Victor catalogs and the "Victor Data Book" and agree it only shows up as an offer as the OEM on the Auxetophone (VDB mentions a "M" size horn which I do not think I have ever seen). But as we all know the "L" was an option for any Victor outside horn machine that was offered that could accept the small end. I would have hoped the dealer would have advised against mating it with a Victor II elbow! It was also priced at $15 option which was more than a wood horn back in the day, so it must be effective for concerts.

Regarding the elbow I have never heard of an OEM Victor product/elbow to take the size of the 23" horn. I have seen an elbow that had a blade/support soldered in along the bottom of the elbow to help resolve the potential for collapsing the elbow. That was on a fancy Victor D years ago. I believe your OEM elbow is safe to take the mass of the horn, however I would worry about anything that could fall on the top half of the horn pushing the bell down causing additional pressure on the elbow itself - that would be a bad day IMO.

John

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John

I took a closer look at the elbow. Here's the Pic. Question is, "is it dealer original or is it previous owner alteration"

Tim

[Ripduf1]

It doesn't matter who did the modification. Its not finished very well, but I understand why - it is in a tough spot to work on. I found the thread where someone had images of the Victor Fancy D with large horn, but the TMF site no longer supports past images - here is a rough drawing of the way the solution was done on that elbow. JD

[Stephen_Madara]

I have one where some riveted a handle on it to carry and support it. Steve

[fmblizz]

Hey Steve,, inquiry minds what to know.. Can you post a picture of your handy dandy special elbow.

Blizz

[SSBN 657]

I'd like to see that too.

[tictalk]

The 36L on our Auxetophone has a standard elbow with no signs of sagging, but the horn is amazingly large and heavy, I would not put it on any tabletop machine, as a matter of fact I don't keep it on the Auxetophone for fear of damaging something, this is an older photo, although I still have the 36L for originality's sake, I keep a smaller horn on the machine for display. Larry

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Larry

Thanks for the photo. I put a 24" flower on the V. Just as you said, the 36L is just too big for the machine, and I to am worried about a colapse due to the weight. Probably will hang the horn from the ceiling for display. Thanks to all for your comments and input.

Tim