HMV Junior Monarch: Speed Control Question

[JerryVan]

At this past weekend's Stanton auction I picked up an HMV Junior Monarch. From the start, I had questions about the speed control. Looking at images on the internet, there appears to be maybe 3 styles of controls. The first being the common HMV/Victor thumbscrew going through the oval plate. The next, is a control with a pointer that sweeps across a "quadrant" that's graduated from "Fast" to "Slow". The third appears to be a questionable variation of the second, with a thumbscrew, but still using the quadrant plate. Mine seems to resemble the third variant. I suspect that the quadrant plate is correct, but the thumbscrew is not.

So, what say you, our phono friends from Europe? What is correct... and are there any for sale?

[JerryVan]

It's looking more apparent that this is how my control should look. I can make, (or hopefully purchase), the control arm and knob, but the question remains as to what the rest of the control mechanism looks like and how does it operate.

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[Steve]

It's looking more apparent that this is how my control should look. I can make, (or hopefully purchase), the control arm and knob, but the question remains as to what the rest of the control machanism looks like and how does it operate.


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I have a Spanish machine with this speed control which although working does need some attention. I've been looking for a spare for years. They don't turn up very frequently unfortunately.

[JerryVan]

It's looking more apparent that this is how my control should look. I can make, (or hopefully purchase), the control arm and knob, but the question remains as to what the rest of the control mechanism looks like and how does it operate.

I have a Spanish machine with this speed control which although working does need some attention. I've been looking for a spare for years. They don't turn up very frequently unfortunately.

Thanks, Steve. That's what I expected. Are there any pictures that you could provide that would explain the workings of this control? Some views from underneath, perhaps?

When the speed control is moved/adjusted, does this shaft move vertically up & down within the speed indicator dial?

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[Steve]

It's looking more apparent that this is how my control should look. I can make, (or hopefully purchase), the control arm and knob, but the question remains as to what the rest of the control mechanism looks like and how does it operate.

I have a Spanish machine with this speed control which although working does need some attention. I've been looking for a spare for years. They don't turn up very frequently unfortunately.

Thanks, Steve. That's what I expected. Are there any pictures that you could provide that would explain the workings of this control? Some views from underneath, perhaps?

When the speed control is moved/adjusted, does this shaft move vertically up & down within the speed indicator dial?

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I'll try and get a photo of mine for you. I know the vertical centre bar on mine is loose and that affects the speed so I believe you're quite right. I cannot remember why I need to replace mine but I recall a part is missing or slightly truncated but it's been a few years since I've looked at it closely! I will get back to you.

[JerryVan]

Steve, or anyone else who can help, if it's not too much to ask, when you have a chance to take a look at your example of this control, I could use the following dimensions in order to make a copy. If it's too much of an imposition I would completely understand. Thanks!

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[JerryVan]

Getting no response, I have come up with dimensions using existing photos and comparing those images with known dimensions in order to establish a "scale factor" from which to calculate unknown dimensions. What I still don't know is, what is inside the lower end of the speed control assembly. Probably nobody knows without actually taking one apart, which I would never expect or want anyone to do. Still, if anyone can add some clarity, (or sell me a speed control ), I would really appreciate it.

[JerryVan]

Here is the control, so far. Still a bit more finishing to do. It should be steel, but brass is easier to work with and will be easier to nickel plate.